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#9519 of 10007 Re: Best LPS to buy and hold on to? [houdini1] by og_oggilby Oct 23, 2007 (6:40 am)
Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 22, 2007 5:39 pm) Well, looks like that about covers it og_oggilby. Now that we have clarified things for you, you should be able to make a reasonable decision.   Yes, it is all so clear now
#9520 of 10007 Re: Best LPS to buy and hold on to? [james27] by og_oggilby Oct 23, 2007 (6:44 am)
Replying to: james27 (Oct 22, 2007 2:49 pm) Rumor has it that 50-state legal diesels may be available in a year or so.   That would be a good thing, and might be worth waiting for...
#9521 of 10007 Re: Best LPS to buy and hold on to? [lexusguy] by og_oggilby Oct 23, 2007 (7:04 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 22, 2007 10:36 pm) Is the RL fun to drive?    In my opinion, no. I haven't spent a ton of time behind the wheel of the car, mostly because of how bland the driving experience was. Unlike the M, the RL cannot disguise its weight. It rolls badly in corners, and though SH-AWD tries its best, all that weight over the front axle just leads to understeer, understeer, understeer. Even Audi would call it overly nose heavy.   Good to know since I hate body roll.   In the fun to drive factor, I'd rank the current crop thusly: 1. BMW 5, 2. Infiniti M, 3. Audi S-line 4. Mercedes E Sport 5. Cadillac STS 6. Lexus GS350 7. Volvo S80 V8 8. Acura RL 9. The rest of the GS line.   Wow the Acura is less fun than a Volvo...   I'm glad that I am forced to wait a few more months before making a decision (since I don't want to have two car payments any more!). I know that I am going to be tempted to get the BMW 535xi even though it is more than I want to spend. My fault for test driving it.   Also, I really wish Infiniti had done something to improve gas milage in the 2008's.
#9522 of 10007 Re: A6 4.2 Re: Best LPS to buy and hold on to? [rayainsw] by markcincinnati Oct 23, 2007 (7:06 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (Oct 23, 2007 4:48 am) Much is written about Audi's apparent disinterest in agressively pricing their cars (for lease or purchase) in the US. While BMW's can be leased for a fraction of the cost of many of this class.   Once, maybe twice, per year, there is a "point of inflection" so to speak, where an Audi actually can be acquired without breaking the bank.   With the A6 4.2, my comment was almost literally: the duration of that window of opportunity is 15 minutes.   I shopped for my 2005 A6 for months and it was often $200 more than an Infiniti or a BMW on a 36 month closed end lease. Indeed, the Audi had to be over optioned to make it compare with the M35X, which made the price gap even larger.   Yet, lo and behold, here comes a deal -- a $53,286 MSRP Audi for $640 per month, 15K miles and no money down.   I have seen this type of "get 'em while you can" offer from Audi about ONE TIME annually and I cannot always put my finger on the rhyme or reason for the "deals" such as they are.   They do last, however, about 15 minutes.   Be there or be square. Replies to this message: rayainsw (Oct 23, 2007 7:36 am)
#9523 of 10007 Re: Best LPS to buy and hold on to? [markcincinnati] by bruceomega Oct 23, 2007 (7:07 am)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 22, 2007 5:33 pm) FWIW   Bang for the buck -- ???? Well, again the new CTS 3.6DI AWD with the FE2 suspension and the lux package is "almost a BMW 5 series" -- at least if you evaluate cars largely by their wheelbase and width.   In the Nov 07 issue of Sports Car International, they have a review of the '08 CTS, and an inset write up on the 535i. They prefrerred the engine and transmission of the 535i. Surprisingly, to me, they criticized the ride and handling of the 535i, while complementing the CTS, but I am not familiar with this magazine or it's credibility.   ... it is hard to resist the 535x. But for performance, luxury and fun an A6 4.2 SLine if one can be found, would be a great ride ...   I would suggest adding the M45x to this mix.   Thanks Bruce
#9524 of 10007 15 min. Re: A6 4.2 [markcincinnati] by rayainsw Oct 23, 2007 (7:36 am)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 23, 2007 7:06 am) "I have seen this type of "get 'em while you can" offer from Audi about ONE TIME annually and I cannot always put my finger on the rhyme or reason for the "deals" such as they are.    They do last, however, about 15 minutes."   I see. Thanks for 'splainin' that to me. - Ray Feelin' pretty dumb....
#9525 of 10007 Re: Best LPS to buy and hold on to? [og_oggilby] by tayl0rd Oct 23, 2007 (10:46 am)
Replying to: og_oggilby (Oct 23, 2007 5:50 am) ... Supposedly powertrain reliability in Cadillac's is not so great. ...   Where on Earth did you hear that? GM cars have their problems, but powertrain/drivetrain is not normally one of them. Replies to this message: og_oggilby (Oct 24, 2007 7:14 am) 150mphclub (Oct 24, 2007 1:08 pm)
#9526 of 10007 Re: Best LPS to buy and hold on to? [tayl0rd] by og_oggilby Oct 24, 2007 (7:14 am)
Replying to: tayl0rd (Oct 23, 2007 10:46 am) Where on Earth did you hear that? GM cars have their problems, but powertrain/drivetrain is not normally one of them.   ConsumerReports.org   Specifically the drive system is rated below average or worse in the CTS (for the last 5 years) and the STS (only lists 2006). I have no idea how accurate the CR ratings are, which is the reason I wrote "Supposedly". Replies to this message: 150mphclub (Oct 24, 2007 1:08 pm)
#9527 of 10007 Re: Best LPS to buy and hold on to? [og_oggilby] by 150mphclub Oct 24, 2007 (1:08 pm)
Replying to: og_oggilby (Oct 24, 2007 7:14 am) You need to learn how to read Consumer Reports. They specifically rated the CTS engines and transmissions above average in reliability.   The rating you are talking about is not the powertrain/drivetrain, but the "drive system", which Consumer Reports describes as follows:   Drive system: Driveshaft or axle, CV joint, wheel bearing(s), differential, transfer case, 4WD/AWD components, driveline vibration, traction control, stability control, electrical failure.
#9528 of 10007 As I Recall,. . . by cdnpinhead Oct 24, 2007 (2:53 pm)
there were a number of cases of differential noise reported on the earlier CTS's. That might help explain the CR thing, though often CR stuff can't be explained. Replies to this message: shipo (Oct 24, 2007 4:20 pm)

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