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Replying to: richardga73 (Sep 16, 2007 8:37 am) There will be a lot of generalizing here, because different brands and even individual models of the same type of tires can be quite difference in terms of noise, ride, and handling. Generally speaking however, dedicated snow tires are the noisiest and roughest. There are a few that can handle dry roads reasonably well, like Blizzaks, Arctic Alpins, and Dunlop Winter Sports. If your car needs a W (168mph) or Y (186mph) rated tire, you have to get the highest performance summer only tires, like Goodyear Eagle F1s or Pilot Sport PS2s. There are now V rated Snow tires and Z rated A/S tires, but neither is capable of the W category. Summer tires are made for hot, dry days. They can really scream on certain highway textures, but other than that I don't think they are generally noisier or rougher riding than a typical A\S. Wet performance depends on the brand and model, but using them in cold wet, snow, or ice is not a good idea. Treadwear is short, as low as 140, and 280 is about as high as it goes. A/S tires have come quite a long way in the last few years. Unfortunately most cars that come with A/S tires typically come with crap like Michelin MXVs, but there are some very good choices in the "ultra high-performance all-season" category, like the Potenza AS Pole Position and Pilot Sport A/S. I used to do the summer\winter tire swap game on my LS430, but I got tired of it. I'm using the Bridgestones now, and they are very quiet, have great performance in the dry and the wet, turn in response is *almost* as good as the best summer tires, and no UHP summer tire can touch their 400 treadwear rating. I won't use the LS if there's more than a minimal amount of snow and slush anyway, so the Potenza's snow abilities are good enough to get the job done, and it means I don't have to put up with the noise and the crappy handling for every day that it doesn't snow, which has been 99% of the days in the last few years in southern PA
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Replying to: lexusguy (Sep 16, 2007 3:30 pm) Some have said, All Seasons means "no seasons." Well, here is a thought about what might work well, year round on the 535xi: a V rated, Grand Touring (A/S) designated tire of the OEM size (or possibly "plus zero" size.) Such tires are marketed and they will do pretty well year round -- if your area has "moderate" snow. They will still be able to be bested by dedicated rubber, but changing tires and/or wheels twice a year is jus' un'merican. Check the TireRack and check the brand Continental as they probably have a size appropriate to the BMW in question.
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 17, 2007 4:16 am) Some have said, All Seasons means "no seasons." I wouldn't put the Potenza AS Pole Positions on my Jag, but I wouldn't ever use the Jag with any snow on the ground anyway. On a car like the 535xi though, I would think that the best UHP A/S tires like the Potenza, Pilot Sport, PZero, or Eagle F1 A/S would provide a good balance between great overall wet\dry\noise performance and good enough snow abilities. |
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Replying to: richardga73 (Sep 16, 2007 8:37 am) Others with more knowledge and experience than I have already responded! FWIW, my 535Xi came with Goodyear RS-A, 225/50-17, all season tires with a W speed rating. Thanks Bruce |
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A reporter from a national newspaper is hoping to talk to consumers who have been shopping for a European vehicle (BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Audi or others) and have found them to be more expensive because of the Euro exchange rates. Please reply to ctalati edmunds.com no later than Monday, October 1, 2007 with your daytime contact info.
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MB E-Class 4,993 BMW 5-Series 4,055 Lexus GS 1,668 Infiniti M 1,380 Audi A6 1,126 Acura RL 357
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Replying to: drtravel (Oct 02, 2007 2:10 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 02, 2007 4:18 pm) Accura has been sent a message. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 02, 2007 4:18 pm) Whenever Americans think of LPS they generally mean German. During every month in the past two and half years, the MB and BMW have always been the top two and by a wide margin. Not sure that the Japanese brands (no matter how good) will ever touch the MB and BMW in this segment. The Acura has always had low sales but I believe this month was an all-time low.
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Replying to: drtravel (Oct 02, 2007 2:10 pm) BMW 5-Series 37,894 MB E-Class 34,184 Lexus GS 17,090 Infiniti M 16,413 Audi A6 8,762 Acura RL 4,618 Acura sells more than 5,000 MDXs every month! |
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