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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#9275 of 10339 Re: The other sports sedan class [zgreatlife]
Apr 07, 2007 (4:37 pm)
The only more or less official data is 265HP. A 10HP boost. The torque does not rise.
There have been several less official statements (perhaps just rumors) that there will be a more powerful V6. The 3.2, with the typical conservative Audi bi-turbo treatment would easily match the engine that is in the 335 and 535.
If Audi does not rise to the challenge, I would argue they will HAVE to cut the price of the A6 w/265 HP to lure someone to buy it if the 535 can be had for similar money (as the situation has been between the 5 and the A6.)
So, to be clear. The only published info is for a +10HP boost. Yet we have seen these guys improve the breathing of these engines and get considerably more than 10HP. BMW itself cranked the 3.0 engine from 225HP to 260 without turbocharging. It would seem to be within reason that Audi, without the use of an impeller, could get a 6 cylinder engine a lot closer to 300HP than it is currently.
Bragging rights are very important perhaps even moreso than the actual performance. If your LPS gets to 100kph in under 7 seconds (close to 6 in fact), and the other guy's is a 1/2 second less quick, yet the slower one can claim "X" HP, well, all is forgiven.
I remember 1997 when Audi was bringing out the then current A6 (to the US). The 2.8 engine was putting out something like 193HP, but somehow appropriate breathing was added to the thing and it was able to come to the US with 200HP.
It was still, more or less, a dog. A slug.
The 3.0 was a great help, but it was the 2.7T that was the real performance version (even besting the 4.2 in 0-100kph.)
But the 2.8 sold well, its sluggish performance was real, but it could be said to have 200HP. It also had what I call, "same day acceleration."
Thus, the point is Audi HAS to be aware that a 300HP 535i and ix will blow a 265HP A6 away.
I have to believe there will be, again, an A6 middle child.
The fact that none is being announced, makes me all but certain it will happen.
#9276 of 10339 Re: The other sports sedan class [lexusguy]
Apr 09, 2007 (6:28 am)
Good news, you can buy used Jaguar XJ for the price of a bag of Skittles, and not even a big bag.
You forgot to add the qualifier. This would be a bag of Skittles purchased at the movie theater concession stand. So you'd still be paying a pretty penny.
#9277 of 10339 Re: The other sports sedan class [tayl0rd]
Apr 25, 2007 (9:31 am)
Interesting post...taylOrd. I haven't read this forum in a while but I see some familiar posters here after all this time. The 2005 RL continues to run perfectly after 29,000 miles with no complaints from me. It is serving us well in our retirement. The miles are mostly city driving so it is a pretty good reliability test so far. Last time in here the Infiniti M's were the rage. What's happening these days in this forum... Audi or Lexus kicking butt?
#9278 of 10339 Re: The other sports sedan class [jjacura]
Apr 26, 2007 (9:34 am)
The situation hasn't changed much since last year. The 5 and E continue to rule the segment, with the M holding down third place. The only real race will be for last place after the S80's "brand new" sales bubble evaporates.
Apr 27, 2007 (12:41 am)
What are the payments on 36 month lease with 0 down on 2007 BMW 550i vs MBZ E/CLS 550 vs LEXUS GS450h ? MSRP around $65000.
#9281 of 10339 Partial April Sales
May 01, 2007 (12:54 pm)
Lexus GS - 1,887
Infiniti M - 1,872
Audi A6 - 898
#9282 of 10339 Re: Partial April Sales [drtravel]
May 01, 2007 (1:00 pm)
Caddy STS - 1815
#9283 of 10339 Re: Partial April Sales [rayainsw]
May 01, 2007 (6:33 pm)
Mercedes E-Class - 4,011
BMW 5-Series - 3,592
Acura RL - 658
#9284 of 10339 child safety with rear side air bags
May 02, 2007 (4:03 pm)
My wife and I are looking at the Audi A6, Mercedes E350, Lexus GS350 and BMW 5-series. We have a 3-year-old child who sits in a front-facing car seat usually on the passenger side of the vehicle. Rear side airbags are standard equipment in the Mercedes and Lexus and are optional equipment in the Audi and BMW.
The Audi and BMW salesmen say that the rear side airbags are only safe for adult passengers because the deployment of this airbag in a side impact accident could injure a child sitting in a car seat next to the side where the accident occurs.
The Mercedes salesman says that the rear side airbag only comes out 3 inches from the side door so it should not injure a child sitting in a car seat.
The Lexus salesman says that he has never heard of child safety concerns with rear side airbags.
Are all rear side airbags the same or are the airbags that come as standard equipment in the Mercedes smaller? Also are rear side airbags just unsafe for infants sitting in rear-facing child seats or also for larger children sitting in front-facing convertible child seats and booster seats?
Thanks for your help - the reason my wife and I are buying a car in this price segment is to get more safety in case of an accident, not less!