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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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STS 1555 by rayainsw
Apr 03, 2007 (1:56 pm)
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March deliveries:
STS 1,555 = off 32.4% from March 2006....
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Re: Partial March sales figures [drtravel] by drtravel
Apr 03, 2007 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Apr 03, 2007 12:31 pm)

Infiniti M 2,768
Lexus GS 2,103
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Re: Partial March sales figures [drtravel] by lexusguy
Apr 03, 2007 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Apr 03, 2007 2:10 pm)

Infiniti M 2,768
Lexus GS 2,103

 
Interesting, that may be the M's best month yet.
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Re: Partial March sales figures [lexusguy] by dewey
Apr 03, 2007 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 03, 2007 2:27 pm)

Control your enthusiasm.
 
M sales are up merely 1.5 percent for March and down year to date by about 6 percent compared to 06 figures.
 
What is interesting is that every single car in the LSP segment is faced with declining or at best stagnant sales.
 
Are buyers flocking to smaller sibling models like the BMW 3 and Infinti M. Apparently that seems to be the case.
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Re: Partial March sales figures [dewey] by shipo
Apr 03, 2007 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 03, 2007 4:30 pm)

"Are buyers flocking to smaller sibling models like the BMW 3 and Infinti M. Apparently that seems to be the case."
 
In the case of the BMW 3 vs. 5, there is the small matter of the fact that the 3er got the new engines months before the 5. My guess is that once the 528i and 535i hit the streets, sales will pick up.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Partial March sales figures [dewey] by lexusguy
Apr 03, 2007 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 03, 2007 4:30 pm)

M sales are up merely 1.5 percent for March and down year to date by about 6 percent compared to 06 figures.
 
Perhaps, but 2700 is still a very good month for Infiniti. Its usually neck and neck with the GS, but they hammered Lexus this month. That "not that reliable for a Lexus" report from CR certainly can't be helping the Lexus, especially when the M is CR's all-star luxury car.
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Re: Partial March sales figures [shipo] by dewey
Apr 03, 2007 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 03, 2007 5:08 pm)

Interstingly the BMW 5 series still remains the leader of the pack in the LPS class despite an 18 percent March sales drop. Which is surprising considering that the MB E Class model has been recently refreshed. I am sure the 5 series is going to get a nice boost from 528/535 sales.
 
BMW M5 sales dropped 66 percent to hit a grand total of 128 cars for March. Wonder if there is a supply issue and God-forbid if it is a demand issue. I mean the new Audi RS6 isn't even selling yet.
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Re: Partial March sales figures [lexusguy] by dewey
Apr 03, 2007 (6:35 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 03, 2007 5:49 pm)

Similarily to the updated MB E Class I would have thought that the new and improved Lexus GS350 would have higher sales. But that is not the case for both these models. I am sure CR's verdict has more weight on the sales of Lexuses than on the sales of the German marques. Despite MB being the lowest of the low in terms of CR's ratings their total sales have increased .
 
The charts provided by Toyota linked below appear to have an error. On the March 07 sales list there are no Lexus GS350s? I guess the GS300 figures represents the GS350 figures?
 
Lexus Sales
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Re: Partial March sales figures [dewey] by habitat1
Apr 04, 2007 (2:54 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 03, 2007 6:28 pm)

BMW M5 sales dropped 66 percent to hit a grand total of 128 cars for March.
 
I'm not sure you can make much of a singel month comparison for a limited production car like the M5. I was in a large BMW dealer last week, and when I asked if they had any unsold 6-speed M5's, they indicated their was still a 6+ month wait.
 
That said, I do not think the current M5 is as revered as the previous model, notwithstanding it's great V10 engine. The interior layout of the current 5 series and the i-drive gymnasitics you have to go through to tap into all 500 horsepower would be a turnoff to me. I believe that BMW needs to re-think making the 3 series and 5-series into more driver oriented cars from an interior design and functionality standpoint.
 
And they really need to re-draw the 6-series. It is butt-ugly, literally and figuratively. Someone parked a Toyota Solara next to a 650i in front of the dealership and the two looked way too similar from the rear.
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Re: Used vehicle choice, MB 320 CDI vs BMW 530 vs Audi A6 3.2 Quattro [briantucson] by markcincinnati
Apr 04, 2007 (4:15 am)
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Replying to: briantucson (Apr 02, 2007 5:53 pm)

Your prefs and biases will surely virtually dictate what you do regardless of what we say.
 
The fact that you are going for a used car will also limit the population of cars you can acquire, too.
 
You didn't mention any "need" (different than a preference) for AWD.
 
Knowing what I know, reading (too much) of what I read and seeing all the bytes we post here on edmunds and elsewhere, I would say "none of the above."
 
I would also say, if you think 10 years and continue to think your posted choice, you CAN afford a new car.
 
Right now, the Acura dealers (those with inventory) are on a tear with the new MDX, RDX -- the RL's are gathering dust.
 
The RL is, considering content and performance, moving up the value scale every day.
 
A new RL stands a better chance of being the best choice (thinking of money) for the 10 year journey than any of these used Germans.
 
The BMW may be eligible for an extended BMW brand warranty (beyond mere CPO'ing which you would have to do with any of these.)
 
The Audi, and I have one, seems, to me, at 34,000+ miles to be as tight and "new" as it did the day I leased it.
 
My lease runs out in 14,000 miles (I bought 3,000 extra to get me through to the end "just in case" I don't bail out a few months early.)
 
My current A6 (2005 3.2) is the first car in a long time, I would actually consider keeping a year or so longer.
 
But, these Germans are "breathtakingly expensive" to keep out of warranty. And after the service pack runs out, heck even an oil change is a $100 affair.
 
The MB CDI has something going for it in that the engine OUGHT to go the distance. Small comfort if everything else around it becomes a vacuum for money.
 
You can afford a new RL -- they're giving them away.
 
$11 down, $11 a month and if you don't have the $11, we'll loan it to you. Come one, come all to Kash's Big Bargain Barn Acura dealer, just a mental block and a bridge from downtown Cincinnapolis.
 
 

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