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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan

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#9239 of 10338 Re: 535xi vs 350 4matic with sport package.. [designman] by spiritinthesky

Apr 03, 2007 (12:48 pm)

Replying to: designman (Apr 03, 2007 12:06 pm)
"Blasphemy. What you're saying is akin to a pro golfer telling a 5-handicap golfer that he's the same as a 20-handicap. It's inaccurate."
 
Good analogy and correct statement.
 
I drive a 2003 M5, so I could claim that any non-"M" BMW isn't worth it. And that would be equally absurd.
 
The non-sport 5-series is second only to the 5-series sport models in handling, steering and driving dynamics in this segment. Nothing by Audi, Mercedes, Acura, Infiniti or Lexus is going to handle as precisely. I could disparage each and every one of those nameplates with criticisms such as "Audi's are obese pigs", but that's just being obnoxious. All of these cars have some quality attributes. But none have the driving dynamics of the BMW 5-series, IMO. Take plenty of test drives for yourself.

#9240 of 10338 Re: 535xi vs 350 4matic [kivi] by bruceomega

Apr 03, 2007 (1:01 pm)

Replying to: kivi (Apr 03, 2007 6:26 am)
kivi,
 
Did you drive a 535Xi? Or is that what you were considering based on driving a 530i/530Xi? Reason I ask is I didn't think the 535's were out yet, although you can apparently order them.
 
Thanks
Bruce

#9241 of 10338 Partial March sales figures by drtravel

Apr 03, 2007 (1:31 pm)

5-Series 4,315
E-Class 4,019
A6 1,038
RL 719

#9242 of 10338 Re: 535xi vs 350 4matic with sport package.. [tayl0rd] by lexusguy

Apr 03, 2007 (2:18 pm)

Replying to: tayl0rd (Apr 03, 2007 11:21 am)
No, even with SH-AWD, to me, the RL is merely adequate. I wouldn't call it sporting. Many owners have, though. Just a difference of driving styles and what's acceptable to the individual.
 
The RL isn't a sports sedan. There was a test (I think it may have been on Fifth Gear with the Honda Legend badge) where it was on a race track, and it was all body roll and tire-squealing understeer. The "super-handling" bit just keeps it from having atrocious understeer. Audi is able to disguise the A6's FWD nature, but Acura hasn't really learned that trick.

#9243 of 10338 STS 1555 by rayainsw

Apr 03, 2007 (2:56 pm)

March deliveries:
STS 1,555 = off 32.4% from March 2006....

#9244 of 10338 Re: Partial March sales figures [drtravel] by drtravel

Apr 03, 2007 (3:10 pm)

Replying to: drtravel (Apr 03, 2007 1:31 pm)
Infiniti M 2,768
Lexus GS 2,103

#9245 of 10338 Re: Partial March sales figures [drtravel] by lexusguy

Apr 03, 2007 (3:27 pm)

Replying to: drtravel (Apr 03, 2007 3:10 pm)
Infiniti M 2,768
Lexus GS 2,103
 
Interesting, that may be the M's best month yet.

#9246 of 10338 Re: Partial March sales figures [lexusguy] by dewey

Apr 03, 2007 (5:30 pm)

Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 03, 2007 3:27 pm)
Control your enthusiasm.
 
M sales are up merely 1.5 percent for March and down year to date by about 6 percent compared to 06 figures.
 
What is interesting is that every single car in the LSP segment is faced with declining or at best stagnant sales.
 
Are buyers flocking to smaller sibling models like the BMW 3 and Infinti M. Apparently that seems to be the case.

#9247 of 10338 Re: Partial March sales figures [dewey] by shipo

Apr 03, 2007 (6:08 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Apr 03, 2007 5:30 pm)
"Are buyers flocking to smaller sibling models like the BMW 3 and Infinti M. Apparently that seems to be the case."
 
In the case of the BMW 3 vs. 5, there is the small matter of the fact that the 3er got the new engines months before the 5. My guess is that once the 528i and 535i hit the streets, sales will pick up.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

#9248 of 10338 Re: Partial March sales figures [dewey] by lexusguy

Apr 03, 2007 (6:49 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Apr 03, 2007 5:30 pm)
M sales are up merely 1.5 percent for March and down year to date by about 6 percent compared to 06 figures.
 
Perhaps, but 2700 is still a very good month for Infiniti. Its usually neck and neck with the GS, but they hammered Lexus this month. That "not that reliable for a Lexus" report from CR certainly can't be helping the Lexus, especially when the M is CR's all-star luxury car.

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