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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: Used vehicle choice, MB 320 CDI vs BMW 530 vs Audi A6 3.2 Quattro [bria by aflc
Apr 03, 2007 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: briantucson (Apr 02, 2007 5:53 pm)

In terms of reliability, Audi has moved up quite a bit, #12 overall, better than any of the other German brands. This upward trend may be a predictor of future build quality.
 
If you want a stable ride with both comfort and sportiness, I think Audi offers both, packaged together, to a greater extent than the other two brands.
 
If you were to get the Air Suspension you would be able the better adjust the ride comfort to suit your needs. Dynamic mode for the times you're in the mood for some fun. Comfort mode for those bumpy roads.
 
Also, you have the option of standard Drive mode, for regular driving, vs Sport mode, which allows for quicker down shifts and slower up shifts. And don't forget the Sports Seats, added comfort along with better support.
 
But, I've notice that most of the Audis out there come with Standard Suspension. Which really does a disservice to the Audi brand. Do try to find one with Sport or Air suspension. To quote tayl0rd :
If you skip the sport package, you might as well skip the BMW altogether
I would somewhat agree for the Audi as well, w/ and w/o Sport Package is like driving two different cars. Although one does have the added benefits of having Quattro in the Audi.
 
I think for your needs, you will be very pleased with the A6. Not too hard, not too soft... just right.
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Re: 535xi vs 350 4matic with sport package.. [tayl0rd] by designman
Apr 03, 2007 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Apr 03, 2007 10:21 am)

A non-sport BMW is not one bit better than every other car in the segment when it comes to handling. It's pretty bad, actually.
 
But back to the BMW. Without the sport package, I'd say it's on par with the Lexus GS and Acura RL.
 
Blasphemy. What you're saying is akin to a pro golfer telling a 5-handicap golfer that he's the same as a 20-handicap. It's inaccurate. You just have no tolerance for anything less than a BMW sport suspension.
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Re: 535xi vs 350 4matic with sport package.. [designman] by spiritinthesky
Apr 03, 2007 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: designman (Apr 03, 2007 11:06 am)

"Blasphemy. What you're saying is akin to a pro golfer telling a 5-handicap golfer that he's the same as a 20-handicap. It's inaccurate."
 
Good analogy and correct statement.
 
I drive a 2003 M5, so I could claim that any non-"M" BMW isn't worth it. And that would be equally absurd.
 
The non-sport 5-series is second only to the 5-series sport models in handling, steering and driving dynamics in this segment. Nothing by Audi, Mercedes, Acura, Infiniti or Lexus is going to handle as precisely. I could disparage each and every one of those nameplates with criticisms such as "Audi's are obese pigs", but that's just being obnoxious. All of these cars have some quality attributes. But none have the driving dynamics of the BMW 5-series, IMO. Take plenty of test drives for yourself.
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Re: 535xi vs 350 4matic [kivi] by bruceomega
Apr 03, 2007 (12:01 pm)
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Replying to: kivi (Apr 03, 2007 5:26 am)

kivi,
 
Did you drive a 535Xi? Or is that what you were considering based on driving a 530i/530Xi? Reason I ask is I didn't think the 535's were out yet, although you can apparently order them.
 
Thanks
Bruce
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Partial March sales figures by drtravel
Apr 03, 2007 (12:31 pm)
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5-Series 4,315
E-Class 4,019
A6 1,038
RL 719
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Re: 535xi vs 350 4matic with sport package.. [tayl0rd] by lexusguy
Apr 03, 2007 (1:18 pm)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Apr 03, 2007 10:21 am)

No, even with SH-AWD, to me, the RL is merely adequate. I wouldn't call it sporting. Many owners have, though. Just a difference of driving styles and what's acceptable to the individual.
 
The RL isn't a sports sedan. There was a test (I think it may have been on Fifth Gear with the Honda Legend badge) where it was on a race track, and it was all body roll and tire-squealing understeer. The "super-handling" bit just keeps it from having atrocious understeer. Audi is able to disguise the A6's FWD nature, but Acura hasn't really learned that trick.
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STS 1555 by rayainsw
Apr 03, 2007 (1:56 pm)
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March deliveries:
STS 1,555 = off 32.4% from March 2006....
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Re: Partial March sales figures [drtravel] by drtravel
Apr 03, 2007 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Apr 03, 2007 12:31 pm)

Infiniti M 2,768
Lexus GS 2,103
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Re: Partial March sales figures [drtravel] by lexusguy
Apr 03, 2007 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Apr 03, 2007 2:10 pm)

Infiniti M 2,768
Lexus GS 2,103

 
Interesting, that may be the M's best month yet.
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Re: Partial March sales figures [lexusguy] by dewey
Apr 03, 2007 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 03, 2007 2:27 pm)

Control your enthusiasm.
 
M sales are up merely 1.5 percent for March and down year to date by about 6 percent compared to 06 figures.
 
What is interesting is that every single car in the LSP segment is faced with declining or at best stagnant sales.
 
Are buyers flocking to smaller sibling models like the BMW 3 and Infinti M. Apparently that seems to be the case.

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