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#9205 of 10002 Re: My wife [habitat1] by qbrozen Mar 12, 2007 (4:13 am)
Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 12, 2007 1:17 am) geesh. talk about blanket statements. oh well, i have lots of comments, but like you said, its not the right place.   orr... is it? hmmm... if we put this in context of luxury performance sedans, we're talking luxury vs sport (rather than utility vs sport). And while one side of your equation favors the utility heavily, the other side favors the sport. To say a car is pitifully slow at 6.3 secs because others are faster is the equivalent to saying one is pitifully nonluxurious because it doesn't offer alacantra leather (or pitifully nonutility because it carries 7 passengers instead of 12). The idea behind luxury performance sedans (and crossovers) is not to get the best of both worlds, but to try to offer MORE of each world. Replies to this message: habitat1 (Mar 12, 2007 10:18 am) qbrozen (Mar 12, 2007 5:03 pm)
#9206 of 10002 2002 530 w/Steptronic - Change the Tran Fluid? by dzuba Mar 12, 2007 (10:00 am)
92K miles on the car and ready for another Inspection I..........believe it or not the largest BMW Dealer in Chicago (where I bought the car) actually does not recommend changing the transmission fluid in the car........ever! Does that make sense or are people having the trans. fluid changed?    Also said I'll need new spark plugs at 100K, at a cost of $288.00?    Thanks.........car runs 100% perfect! Replies to this message: wbreaux1 (Mar 22, 2007 10:58 pm)
#9207 of 10002 Re: My wife [qbrozen] by habitat1 Mar 12, 2007 (10:18 am)
Replying to: qbrozen (Mar 12, 2007 4:13 am) "The idea behind luxury performance sedans (and crossovers) is not to get the best of both worlds, but to try to offer MORE of each world."   And that distinction is...???   I do understand that there are a lot of balanced compromises. Our FWD TL 6-speed is a "sporty" family sedan, but it's not a true sports sedan as in the 335i/550i nor a true luxury sedan along the lines of a Lexus GS or LS.   My comment - to be taken lightly, and as my opinion - was that the previous poster was over-exhuberantly describing the FX45 as if it was a sports car - 0-60 times and lateral g's of cornering force. I can try describing my golf game with the same level of enthusiasm, but it won't take too many holes before even the non-golfer realized they weren't watching Tiger Woods.   IMO, there are a lot of gas guzzling, 4,500+ lb, 4/5 passenger "crossover" SUV's perhaps being bought for the wrong reasons. As in our neighbor who is an emergency room physician. He has twice asked us this winter if we could give him a ride to the hospital 2 miles away when his "S non-U V" (X5 4.6is) was rendered undriveable by a whopping 4-6" of snow. But boy those 20" wheels and low profile summer tires sure looked nice slipping and sliding away. His wife's car is an equally undriveable Jaguar in the winter, but at least her car doesn't make any false "utility" claims.   Funny, when I offered to let him drive our 911 this summer, as he was salivating over it, he had to embarassingly admit not knowing how to drive a manual transmssion. But hey, he's a good doctor, so I'm happy letting him think he's Michael Schumacher in that slushbox equiped two and a half ton "sports car". Replies to this message: qbrozen (Mar 12, 2007 5:03 pm)
#9208 of 10002 Re: My wife [habitat1] by qbrozen Mar 12, 2007 (5:03 pm)
Replying to: habitat1 (Mar 12, 2007 10:18 am) And that distinction is...???   the distinction is "best" vs "more." Being the "best" is obviously a FAR cry over just being "better" or "more than usual."   was that the previous poster was over-exhuberantly describing the FX45 as if it was a sports car   Ok. Point taken. I won't defend it as a sportscar, but I would defend it as being quite sporty while offering a good deal more utility than a sportscar. There's that trade-off thing we've both mentioned.   And ... to keep on topic ... its the same we've discussed here before when trading off some luxury for more sport, or vice versa.
#9209 of 10002 Re: Some February Sales Numbers [allargon] by hauss Mar 13, 2007 (1:32 pm)
Replying to: allargon (Mar 06, 2007 8:36 am) Where did you find these numbers? I looked on the autochannel site and could not find anything.
#9210 of 10002 M35 in Category of "Top 10 Vehicles for Seniors" by kennyg8 Mar 15, 2007 (4:28 pm)
While the posters here prefer to brand the M35 as a "luxury performance sedan," Edmunds opts to cateorize it as one of the "top 10 vehicles for seniors." In fact, it is lumped together with Toyota Avalon and Ford Five Hundred! I've always considered the M35 as a pretty sporty sedan with a good dose of luxury, but I've never thought it would be in the category of grandpa mobiles. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Mar 15, 2007 4:47 pm)
#9211 of 10002 Re: M35 in Category of "Top 10 Vehicles for Seniors" [kennyg8] by lexusguy Mar 15, 2007 (4:47 pm)
Replying to: kennyg8 (Mar 15, 2007 4:28 pm) I've always considered the M35 as a pretty sporty sedan with a good dose of luxury, but I've never thought it would be in the category of grandpa mobiles.   That is really odd. The M35 is the meanest, loudest, and hardest riding of the three Japanese entries in the segment. The GS, S80, or E-class would seem like much more logical choices.
#9212 of 10002 RL by carfan28 Mar 15, 2007 (9:55 pm)
Acura RL is a good luxury cruiser. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Mar 15, 2007 11:33 pm) carfan28 (Mar 16, 2007 8:50 am)
#9213 of 10002 Re: RL [carfan28] by lexusguy Mar 15, 2007 (11:33 pm)
Replying to: carfan28 (Mar 15, 2007 9:55 pm) Acura RL is a good luxury cruiser.   It is, but I think the Acura's "comes with everything" approach could hurt its chances with the Ft. Lauderdale crowd. These are probably not people who are going to be syncing their Blackberrys while listening to a DVD-Audio disc. The RL's interior would probably just confuse them. That and the "brilliant" push\twist keyless ignition system would probably lead to some dead batteries. Replies to this message: carfan28 (Mar 16, 2007 8:50 am)
#9214 of 10002 Re: RL [lexusguy] by carfan28 Mar 16, 2007 (8:50 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 15, 2007 11:33 pm) Yep, anyone who doesn't have the strength to punch through a chad and leave it hanging may have problems with one of the more sophisticated electronic gadgetry cars out there.

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