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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [hauss] by markcincinnati
Mar 05, 2007 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: hauss (Mar 04, 2007 9:09 pm)

Drove the FX35 with the 20" wheels. Choppy, bumpy, harsh, almost jarring ride. Nice interior. Very nice technology.
 
Drove both old ('05) and new ('07) X3 -- the old X3 with sport was firm and on certain road surfaces "harsh," but not choppy. The new '07 X3 with sport was decidedly more refined in ride, power, handling, interior and even NVH.
 
Drove the RDX -- for the money worth looking at compared to a brand new 2006 X3. The driving feel of the new X3 makes it worth more -- but it may not be seen to be worth nearly $10,000 more than the RDX when equipped more upscale.
 
Sat in new MDX (a black one with the Cabernet interior and sport package) -- having driven and sat in, of course, a new X5, the MDX, sitting still, seemed competitive by virtue of its full MSRP of about $46K (X3 priced, that is.)
 
The tests of the MDX with the magnaride (sport) seem to "suggest" a transformed vehicle. We plan to test it too.
 
I have no reason to dislike the MDX, well, its looks may be an acquired taste, but in black it is less cartoonish.
 
On paper, in reviews and for $45K, it appears the MDX is a tour de force.
 
It apparently is somewhat polarizing, too.
 
I would comment, not having yet driven one, it seems to beg for a 6 speed auto transmission.
 
Thus far, nothing seems to match the X3 (in this Price Range) for the driving experience. Moreover, just sitting there, behind the wheel, the MDX seems (for this price) to be the one to get. Hmmm, will I (or my wife, better said) be sitting more or driving more.
 
I'll get back to you.
 
Oh, oh, great sound system in the Acura. Damn near awesome.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [markcincinnati] by dhamilton
Mar 05, 2007 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 05, 2007 5:31 am)

Mark
 I agree a lot with your post. However, having lived with the Wife's FX for almost 2 years now I would add,
 
1. The FX's interior doesn't hold up to well over time.
 
2. Yes, both of these rides are begging for a 6 speed but, that would put them in the Q7/X5 price category.
 
3. The new MDX is much more refined than the FX.
 
My biggest knock on the Acura is the cheap feeling steering wheel. But, it handles very well for a big Japanese SUV [very well in fact] and the electronics [nav/stereo] are some of the best in the biz.
 
Now how bout that Edmunds review on the RS4 vs M5, and the Audi coming away with the win? [from one Audi lover to another]
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [lexusguy] by hauss
Mar 05, 2007 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 05, 2007 12:06 am)

lg, I didn't realize Acura had moved that concept so far along. I hadn't checked it out on their website until now. I stand corrected - you were right. And I agree with you in that I don't find it attractive. But as so often is the case those concepts don't usually fully make it to the showroom floor. So, hopefully that won't be the 4th gen TL or the next RL.
 
As for the MDX I personally like the way it looks. I've driven two versions of it recently and it handled great for an SUV. Admittedly I don't have anything else to compare it too. It was taut and responsive without being harsh. And the stereo is one of the 5 best stock stereos I've ever listened to. But I won't be going in that direction. My fiance is so in lust with the looks of the GS350RWD that's what we're going to get.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [markcincinnati] by lexusguy
Mar 05, 2007 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 05, 2007 5:31 am)

Drove the RDX -- for the money worth looking at compared to a brand new 2006 X3. The driving feel of the new X3 makes it worth more -- but it may not be seen to be worth nearly $10,000 more than the RDX when equipped more upscale.
 
The BMW MSRPs for a lot more yes, but BMW is very willing to deal when it comes to lease payments. Combine that with the free service, and its not that much more than the Acura. Also, I just can't get past the idea of making the passenger pull a bar to move their seat in a "luxury" car.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [lexusguy] by hauss
Mar 05, 2007 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 05, 2007 10:44 am)

lg, easy on that one...until very recently that's exactly what BMW used to do in the 3 series...unless you opted for a package...
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [hauss] by lexusguy
Mar 05, 2007 (4:38 pm)
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Replying to: hauss (Mar 05, 2007 3:03 pm)

Right, but BMW at least gave you the option to get power seats. I'd be perfectly willing to pay extra for a power passenger seat in the RDX, but you can't get one at any price. I'd be willing to pay for something like a dual 12-way seat package in the RL, but you can't get that either. To me that's not value, its restrictive.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [lexusguy] by hauss
Mar 06, 2007 (5:08 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 05, 2007 4:38 pm)

To me power seats of any level are a bare minimum for a luxury car. Same with power windows. Those things should not even be an option. Now, increasing the range of the power seat is different to me. So, I agree with you that it's unacceptable for the RDX to have a manual adjust passenger seat. If it costs a few hundred dollars more so what? It's already about a $35K car.
 
Now, lg, you know darn well that even if the RL was offered with an option to get dual 12 way power seats you still wouldn't get it. It's an Acura!
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [hauss] by dhamilton
Mar 06, 2007 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: hauss (Mar 06, 2007 5:08 am)

LG has long been an Acura hater.
 
I feel the same way about Lexus cars in general, the lineup just makes 0 sense to me.
 
Same with Mercedes [sans S class] I just don't get em, and their ergonomics are a train wreck.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [hauss] by lexusguy
Mar 06, 2007 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: hauss (Mar 06, 2007 5:08 am)

Now, lg, you know darn well that even if the RL was offered with an option to get dual 12 way power seats you still wouldn't get it. It's an Acura!
 
Well I meant that if I was going to buy an RL, I'd be willing to get some kind of sport seat package. Something like the Recaros in the S4 would be lovely. Then it just needs a new platform with a V8 behind the front wheels, and a new interior, and I'd buy one tomorrow.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [lexusguy] by houdini1
Mar 06, 2007 (7:43 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 06, 2007 7:30 am)

I agree with you on the Acura seats. It is really dumb for any up scale mfg. to have a passenger seat that is not fully adjustable.
 
Whenever I test drive cars and my wife is with me, the second she sees that the passenger seat is not fully adjustable it is a deal killer. Aren't these mfgs smart enough to know how much the wife influences these purchases?

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