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Re: My wife [carnaught] by drtravel
Mar 03, 2007 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: carnaught (Mar 03, 2007 8:27 am)

Back seat entry is also "challenging".
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [kyfdx] by lexusguy
Mar 03, 2007 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Mar 03, 2007 7:51 am)

But, I think the biggest reason the RL doesn't sell is the way it looks... It just doesn't look like an LPS.. Even in the Acura showroom, the TL looks more like an LPS than the RL.
 
I still think Acura has absolutely no design direction of any kind. They kind of started down one path with the TSX and TL, but then completely abandoned that with the RL. The MDX is yet another direction, and I don't like where its going. I mean look at this thing, its hideous.
 

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Re: My wife [dhamilton] by uglybear
Mar 03, 2007 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Mar 03, 2007 7:29 am)

Yes and we own FX45. My wife actually didn't like MDX- she said it looked like SUV and accelerated like SUV. 6cyl and 7 seats don't make car particularly fast. MDX is wider and heavier. FX45 does 0-60 in 6.3 seconds (FX35 in 7s) or so while MDX is 7.5 or so. 7.5 is rather slow. FX45 has nice exhaust note, sport suspension and excellent roadholding in turns (0.89g skidpad). Driving it feels like driving large fast sport sedan rather than SUV.
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Re: My wife [drtravel] by uglybear
Mar 03, 2007 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: drtravel (Mar 03, 2007 8:41 am)

Well, it depends on your priorities. If you want large people hauler with great visibilty nad access to all seats, you buy a bus or Suburban. Box with large windows will always do better. You want high clearance AWD with sport handling and acceleration - you buy FX. BMW X5 looks boxy and there is no 550xi. Audi Allroad is no more.
 
After Infinity introduced FX now everyone is trying to get to the crossover segment. Mercedes R, upconing BMW V-series, Audi Q5.
 
MDX is in a different segment, it is not a crossover by any imagination.
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Re: My wife [markcincinnati] by 2001gs430
Mar 03, 2007 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 02, 2007 5:12 am)

Since we are off topic on SUV, I am adding these Cayenne and X5 articles for those looking for something to read:
 
X5
 
Cayenne
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [drtravel] by cheerioboy26
Mar 03, 2007 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Mar 02, 2007 12:34 pm)

Adding the M:
 
5-Series 3,482
E-Class 3,053
M 1,961
GS 1,563
A6 893
RL 395 (not a typo)
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [lexusguy] by hauss
Mar 04, 2007 (9:09 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 03, 2007 8:43 am)

lg, that's not the MDX. In fact I believe it's not even either of the latest concept car designs Acura is showing on their website. Listen, it's fine that you don't like Acuras. They obviously don't offer anything you care for. It is rather annoying to read you bash them at every opportunity (no matter how small). Overall they make a fine product you can't go wrong with if you decide to go that way. They just don't make anything for you.
 
Now, I'm curious have you driven both the MDX and the FX as an earlier poster asked you?
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [hauss] by lexusguy
Mar 05, 2007 (12:06 am)
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Replying to: hauss (Mar 04, 2007 9:09 pm)

That is the Acura Advanced Sedan Concept, which along with ASC\NSX concept are the most recent ones they've done. You can definitely see that it takes some cues from the MDX and pushes them a bit further.
 
Acura makes decent cars yes, but there's always a "...but" qualifier with each one. The TSX has no power, the TL is a FWD car in a RWD segment, the RDX has horrible fuel economy and is overpriced, and I've already posted all of the problems with the RL.
 
Yes, I've driven both the MDX and the FX. My wife decided that she liked the X3 better than both. The MDX isn't necessarily bad, but its not really the value that the last one was. With the lease the BMW was more affordable, and much nicer as well.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [hauss] by markcincinnati
Mar 05, 2007 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: hauss (Mar 04, 2007 9:09 pm)

Drove the FX35 with the 20" wheels. Choppy, bumpy, harsh, almost jarring ride. Nice interior. Very nice technology.
 
Drove both old ('05) and new ('07) X3 -- the old X3 with sport was firm and on certain road surfaces "harsh," but not choppy. The new '07 X3 with sport was decidedly more refined in ride, power, handling, interior and even NVH.
 
Drove the RDX -- for the money worth looking at compared to a brand new 2006 X3. The driving feel of the new X3 makes it worth more -- but it may not be seen to be worth nearly $10,000 more than the RDX when equipped more upscale.
 
Sat in new MDX (a black one with the Cabernet interior and sport package) -- having driven and sat in, of course, a new X5, the MDX, sitting still, seemed competitive by virtue of its full MSRP of about $46K (X3 priced, that is.)
 
The tests of the MDX with the magnaride (sport) seem to "suggest" a transformed vehicle. We plan to test it too.
 
I have no reason to dislike the MDX, well, its looks may be an acquired taste, but in black it is less cartoonish.
 
On paper, in reviews and for $45K, it appears the MDX is a tour de force.
 
It apparently is somewhat polarizing, too.
 
I would comment, not having yet driven one, it seems to beg for a 6 speed auto transmission.
 
Thus far, nothing seems to match the X3 (in this Price Range) for the driving experience. Moreover, just sitting there, behind the wheel, the MDX seems (for this price) to be the one to get. Hmmm, will I (or my wife, better said) be sitting more or driving more.
 
I'll get back to you.
 
Oh, oh, great sound system in the Acura. Damn near awesome.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [markcincinnati] by dhamilton
Mar 05, 2007 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 05, 2007 5:31 am)

Mark
 I agree a lot with your post. However, having lived with the Wife's FX for almost 2 years now I would add,
 
1. The FX's interior doesn't hold up to well over time.
 
2. Yes, both of these rides are begging for a 6 speed but, that would put them in the Q7/X5 price category.
 
3. The new MDX is much more refined than the FX.
 
My biggest knock on the Acura is the cheap feeling steering wheel. But, it handles very well for a big Japanese SUV [very well in fact] and the electronics [nav/stereo] are some of the best in the biz.
 
Now how bout that Edmunds review on the RS4 vs M5, and the Audi coming away with the win? [from one Audi lover to another]

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