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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [kkoshkin] by lexusguy
Mar 03, 2007 (3:10 am)
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Replying to: kkoshkin (Mar 02, 2007 5:43 pm)

Also, any guesses as to why the RL isn't selling at all? It seems to be a beautiful car (albeit with stiff competition).
 
Hmm.. where to begin. It's slow, the handling is lousy, its too heavy, fuel economy is poor, there aren't enough options, it looks invisible compared to the rest of the class, some of the materials are chintzy, the center stack is awful, its too small, its stuck with a 5-speed auto, the seats are from a $20K car, the keyless ignition is a last minute hack-job, and the TL is a better car. Other than that, the RL rocks.
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Re: My wife [uglybear] by dhamilton
Mar 03, 2007 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: uglybear (Mar 02, 2007 8:22 pm)

I agree that the FX is slightly less feminine although the new MDX changes things.
 
The driving dynamics are great on the FX, but I think equally good [in a different way] in the new MDX.
 
Both of these are at odds with themselves, as they are overweight people haulers.
 
Have you driven them both?
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [lexusguy] by kyfdx HOST
Mar 03, 2007 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 03, 2007 3:10 am)

All that might be true..
 
But, I think the biggest reason the RL doesn't sell is the way it looks... It just doesn't look like an LPS.. Even in the Acura showroom, the TL looks more like an LPS than the RL.
 
Because, really... 95% of buyers don't pay any attention to acceleration, weight, fuel economy, etc, etc... You really pegged it with this: it looks invisible compared to the rest of the class.
 
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Re: My wife [uglybear] by carnaught
Mar 03, 2007 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: uglybear (Mar 02, 2007 8:22 pm)

I had some problems with the FX when considering it:
 
multiple blind spots, subpar a/c (why I dunno as the M has great air), starting to get dated, and poor gas mileage.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [kkoshkin] by drtravel
Mar 03, 2007 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: kkoshkin (Mar 02, 2007 5:43 pm)

Drtravel, what is your source for those stats? Not doubting your veracity; just want to be able to track them myself.
 
Go to www.theautochannel.com During the first few days of the month auto manufacturers announce their monthly sales. Of course the site is not as good as Edmunds LOL.
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Re: My wife [carnaught] by drtravel
Mar 03, 2007 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: carnaught (Mar 03, 2007 8:27 am)

Back seat entry is also "challenging".
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [kyfdx] by lexusguy
Mar 03, 2007 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Mar 03, 2007 7:51 am)

But, I think the biggest reason the RL doesn't sell is the way it looks... It just doesn't look like an LPS.. Even in the Acura showroom, the TL looks more like an LPS than the RL.
 
I still think Acura has absolutely no design direction of any kind. They kind of started down one path with the TSX and TL, but then completely abandoned that with the RL. The MDX is yet another direction, and I don't like where its going. I mean look at this thing, its hideous.
 

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Re: My wife [dhamilton] by uglybear
Mar 03, 2007 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Mar 03, 2007 7:29 am)

Yes and we own FX45. My wife actually didn't like MDX- she said it looked like SUV and accelerated like SUV. 6cyl and 7 seats don't make car particularly fast. MDX is wider and heavier. FX45 does 0-60 in 6.3 seconds (FX35 in 7s) or so while MDX is 7.5 or so. 7.5 is rather slow. FX45 has nice exhaust note, sport suspension and excellent roadholding in turns (0.89g skidpad). Driving it feels like driving large fast sport sedan rather than SUV.
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Re: My wife [drtravel] by uglybear
Mar 03, 2007 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: drtravel (Mar 03, 2007 8:41 am)

Well, it depends on your priorities. If you want large people hauler with great visibilty nad access to all seats, you buy a bus or Suburban. Box with large windows will always do better. You want high clearance AWD with sport handling and acceleration - you buy FX. BMW X5 looks boxy and there is no 550xi. Audi Allroad is no more.
 
After Infinity introduced FX now everyone is trying to get to the crossover segment. Mercedes R, upconing BMW V-series, Audi Q5.
 
MDX is in a different segment, it is not a crossover by any imagination.
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Re: My wife [markcincinnati] by 2001gs430
Mar 03, 2007 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 02, 2007 5:12 am)

Since we are off topic on SUV, I am adding these Cayenne and X5 articles for those looking for something to read:
 
X5
 
Cayenne

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