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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [lexusguy] by kkoshkin
Mar 02, 2007 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 02, 2007 3:43 pm)

Drtravel, what is your source for those stats? Not doubting your veracity; just want to be able to track them myself.
 
Also, any guesses as to why the RL isn't selling at all? It seems to be a beautiful car (albeit with stiff competition). Also, does anyone think that Infiniti and/or Lexus will do anything in reaction the new $3500 dealer cash on the RL?
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M35 vs. M45 -- Need Advice! by vanhalenabe
Mar 02, 2007 (8:05 pm)
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Hi Everyone,
  
I am currently in the market for a 2006 M35/45. I only like the Wheat Interior with Rosewood Trim, which rules out the Sport Package. I am looking for the Technology Package, however.
  
So, I'm comparing a regular M35 vs. an M45. The cars look identical on the interior & exterior. The only difference I'm aware of is what's under the hood.
  
The price difference on the used market is between $5K and $8K, depending on exact options, mileage, etc.
  
Question -- Is an M45 worth the difference? That is a lot of money for just an engine upgrade. But I've also heard the Infiniti V-8 is much smoother and quieter than the V-6. EPA gas mileage is only 1-2 mpg worse. Some people have said an M35 is essentially nicer and larger G35. But the M45 has an unique engine not shared with the G, and that alone is worth the price of admission.
  
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. If there are other differences (good & bad) I haven't thought about, please let me know.
  
Thanks!
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Re: My wife [dhamilton] by uglybear
Mar 02, 2007 (8:22 pm)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Mar 01, 2007 8:19 pm)

FX handles like a sport car. MDX is soccer mom tank. Man does not want to be caught in MDX/
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Re: M35 vs. M45 -- Need Advice! [vanhalenabe] by james27
Mar 02, 2007 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: vanhalenabe (Mar 02, 2007 8:05 pm)

If I were you, I'd drive both as new, then you'd have a good reference point when you try to find a used one you like. The cars are as close to identical as they can be except for the drivetrain. Their different weights, may require different springs and shocks, but I kind of doubt it since there isn't really that big of a difference. If you like the extra oomph of the V-8, then it may be worth it, but (for me at least) the V-6 is plenty.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [kkoshkin] by lexusguy
Mar 03, 2007 (3:10 am)
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Replying to: kkoshkin (Mar 02, 2007 5:43 pm)

Also, any guesses as to why the RL isn't selling at all? It seems to be a beautiful car (albeit with stiff competition).
 
Hmm.. where to begin. It's slow, the handling is lousy, its too heavy, fuel economy is poor, there aren't enough options, it looks invisible compared to the rest of the class, some of the materials are chintzy, the center stack is awful, its too small, its stuck with a 5-speed auto, the seats are from a $20K car, the keyless ignition is a last minute hack-job, and the TL is a better car. Other than that, the RL rocks.
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Re: My wife [uglybear] by dhamilton
Mar 03, 2007 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: uglybear (Mar 02, 2007 8:22 pm)

I agree that the FX is slightly less feminine although the new MDX changes things.
 
The driving dynamics are great on the FX, but I think equally good [in a different way] in the new MDX.
 
Both of these are at odds with themselves, as they are overweight people haulers.
 
Have you driven them both?
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [lexusguy] by kyfdx HOST
Mar 03, 2007 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 03, 2007 3:10 am)

All that might be true..
 
But, I think the biggest reason the RL doesn't sell is the way it looks... It just doesn't look like an LPS.. Even in the Acura showroom, the TL looks more like an LPS than the RL.
 
Because, really... 95% of buyers don't pay any attention to acceleration, weight, fuel economy, etc, etc... You really pegged it with this: it looks invisible compared to the rest of the class.
 
regards,
kyfdx
(not the host here)
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Re: My wife [uglybear] by carnaught
Mar 03, 2007 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: uglybear (Mar 02, 2007 8:22 pm)

I had some problems with the FX when considering it:
 
multiple blind spots, subpar a/c (why I dunno as the M has great air), starting to get dated, and poor gas mileage.
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Re: Some February Sales Numbers [kkoshkin] by drtravel
Mar 03, 2007 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: kkoshkin (Mar 02, 2007 5:43 pm)

Drtravel, what is your source for those stats? Not doubting your veracity; just want to be able to track them myself.
 
Go to www.theautochannel.com During the first few days of the month auto manufacturers announce their monthly sales. Of course the site is not as good as Edmunds LOL.
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Re: My wife [carnaught] by drtravel
Mar 03, 2007 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: carnaught (Mar 03, 2007 8:27 am)

Back seat entry is also "challenging".

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