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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: Can't Decide [lexusmonkey] by lexusguy
Feb 08, 2007 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: lexusmonkey (Feb 07, 2007 5:25 pm)

It's not the price or best deal I can get, but rather what car is the best overall?
 
Isn't that a question that you should answer for yourself? If you don't want another 5 series but you want something in the same vein, I think your two best choices are the M45 Sport and the A6 4.2 S-line.
 
I would not get the E because I've never really liked this generation, the E is the most likely of any LPS to have problems, and its just old compared to the 5, A6, and M. That and the RL because its a mediocre car. The only thing it has going for it is that its cheap, and its not that cheap. RL for $35K or XJR for $35K? Thats a no brainer.
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Re: Can't Decide [lexusguy] by mbbrooks
Feb 09, 2007 (12:35 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 08, 2007 6:08 am)

Now we're really getting somewhere. The E is just "old"? I guess when you're unable to elucidate anything meaningful then we are reduced to that. Kind of like the M45 is still just a "Datsun" and is plain "ugly."
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Re: Can't Decide [lexusguy] by houdini1
Feb 09, 2007 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 08, 2007 6:08 am)

Yes, that is a no brainer. I'd take the RL any day. Please tell me where I can buy a new one for 35K.
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Re: Can't Decide [mbbrooks] by lexusguy
Feb 09, 2007 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: mbbrooks (Feb 09, 2007 12:35 am)

The E class IS an old car. Its not something thats up for debate like the looks of the M, and how does a cheap Nissan bash have anything to do with anything? It's been around since '03. It has a last gen COMAND system, and it has what, two years left on the market? Most of the rest of the segment was new for '05 or '06. You can pretend that doesnt make a difference if you want.
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Re: Can't Decide [houdini1] by lexusguy
Feb 09, 2007 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Feb 09, 2007 6:49 am)

I didn't say a "new" RL. I definitely wouldn't buy a new one, as they are identical to the '05s, and after 3 years it will be worth what, $25k? Complete flops tend not to hold their value very well. A lightly used '06 is $35k. A 20-30k mile '04 XJR is the same money, and isn't an Accord with a gold watch.
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Re: Can't Decide [lexusguy] by houdini1
Feb 09, 2007 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 09, 2007 7:50 am)

A 20-30k mile '04 XJR is the same money, and isn't an Accord with a gold watch
 
Yes, and that Jag might just turn out to be a Taurus without a gold watch.
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Re: Can't Decide [houdini1] by lexusguy
Feb 09, 2007 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Feb 09, 2007 8:22 am)

Yes, and that Jag might just turn out to be a Taurus without a gold watch.
 
Ok, you've completely lost me here. How exactly does the XJ, all new for '04 riding on its own brand new full-size aluminum RWD platform, with its Jag built AJ-V8, have anything to do with the FWD, mid-size steel Taurus that was last redesigned in 1996? If this is just a cheap shot against the Jag grille, I'm afraid you've got the wrong Jaguar. Its the XK that has the oval grille, a feature that goes back to the D-type. Morray Callum copied it for the Taurus, not the other way around. I'm sure Ian has given him hell over that.
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Re: Can't Decide [lexusguy] by houdini1
Feb 09, 2007 (11:45 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 09, 2007 9:06 am)

Well if you were't talking about a new RL why do you think I was referring to the current XJ? I never said that.
 
Ford has owned Jag for about 17 years now and do you think there has not been any cross engineering going on? Who is to say that the next XJ might not be a front driving rebadged Taurus. Stranger things have happened.
 
You slam Acura every chance you get so you should be able to take a shot or two. It is a lot more fun throwing grenades that catching them, huh?
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Re: Can't Decide [houdini1] by lexusguy
Feb 09, 2007 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Feb 09, 2007 11:45 am)

Who is to say that the next XJ might not be a front driving rebadged Taurus. Stranger things have happened.
 
Considering the XJ can go over $90K, I don't see that happening, especially since the Taurus died not too long ago. They just decided to pull the name out of the trash bin to try and boost sales a bit for the 500, but it still has nothing to do with Jag. The Taurus, Sable, and MKS are based on last-gen Volvo architecture, using a Ford engine.
 
There was extensive sharing with the LS\Mondeo and X\S-type, but never the XJ, at least not in the US. The European XJ6 uses the Duratec 3.0L.
 
The XF is built on a largely carry-over DEW98 platform, itself the basis for the Mustang and the Mustang derived RWD products in the pipeline. As far as I know, the XJ and XK will continue to use unique platforms and engines.
 
I'm happy to slam Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, or anyone else that deserves it. I've been a very vocal critic of the GS (and especially the 450h) pretty much since launch. The RL is IMHO, a half-assed effort from Honda. They played it very conservative and very safe in the typical Honda way, and they are certainly paying for it now.
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Re: Can't Decide [houdini1] by pat HOST
Feb 09, 2007 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Feb 09, 2007 11:45 am)

It is a lot more fun throwing grenades that catching them
 
Watched the Today show this morning, did you?

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