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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [merc1] by ocim
Jan 13, 2007 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 04, 2007 9:20 pm)

I can see why some would prefer the G's interior styling over the M's. I think it is a little more sporty. However, from the quality and texture of the materials, the G isn't even close to the M.
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Re: Is there a difference? [allagaroo] by willie2l
Jan 13, 2007 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: allagaroo (Jan 12, 2007 3:41 pm)

Hi, Told my dealer about the lease terms you mentioned. They said they do not know anything about an owner loyalty program for the A6. Do you have a link or source? They also told me MF was .00042. They must be looking to close the deal because last Monday the MF was quoted at .0014. However, while MF is down they say residual is 49%, down for 50%. (A6 3.2Q 36mo/12k) I don't think I believe that. Tough keeping up with these guys.
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Re: Is there a difference? [allagaroo] by zgreatlife
Jan 13, 2007 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: allagaroo (Jan 06, 2007 9:11 am)

Interesting post, LexusG. I also own an older A6 (3.0, 2002), and just returned from testing the new one. Did not like it much. I felt that the new A6 was too noisy, and provided less visibility than my older Audi. I still loved the interior and technology in the Audi, but did not enjoy actually driving it as much as driving the old one. Unlike many people here, I like a quiet and soft ride. Not too interested at "feeling the road". I just tested the Lexus ES 350 and enjoyed it. Feels like lots of car for the money. Following other discussions here, I would want to try the Infinity and see how that feels.
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Re: Dreaming... [kyfdx] by uglybear
Jan 13, 2007 (5:53 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jan 11, 2007 10:12 am)

Late April/early May my dealership says. They are taking orders, but they don't have pricing yet.
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Re: Is there a difference? [zgreatlife] by lexusguy
Jan 13, 2007 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: zgreatlife (Jan 13, 2007 5:00 pm)

Unlike many people here, I like a quiet and soft ride. Not too interested at "feeling the road". I just tested the Lexus ES 350 and enjoyed it. Feels like lots of car for the money.
 
In terms of creamy isolation from the outside world, the ES does it better than any other car under $65K. If by Infiniti you mean the G or M, I wouldn't bother. They are about as far on the other end of the spectrum as you can get from the ES; raw, mean sports sedans. My suggestions for other cars to consider would be the GS350 AWD, and Volvo S80 3.2. The Toyota Avalon also has most of what the above cars have, for a lot less money. The Passat is also worth trying.
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Re: Is there a difference? [zgreatlife] by markcincinnati
Jan 13, 2007 (7:11 pm)
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Replying to: zgreatlife (Jan 13, 2007 5:00 pm)

WOW.
 
I had the following (not a complete list):
 
1995 S6
1997 A8
1999 A6 2.8
2000 A6 4.2 comfort
2001 A6 4.2 sport
2003 allroad 2.7T
2005 A6 3.2 with 18" wheels and 245 x 40 x 18" tires
 
At the same time, my wife had multiple A4's, three TT's and one BMW X3 3.0.
 
The A6 is the quietest of the bunch (including the A8), it also is both more compliant and able to corner better than the 2001 sport version of my A6, which I assumed is due to the its greater, by far, chassis stiffness.
 
I tested, thoroughly, the Infiniti M35X and the Cadillac STS and have rented, repeatedly, competing lux and/or sport lux cars from Europe and the US. I rented, too, a Lexus and participated in a test with Car and Driver that included the new Lexus cars.
 
Lexus cars are the most quiet. Audis and Cadillacs are second and the Infiniti is third. The BMW's I have tested and or have in my garage at this moment are hardly loud, but they are the loudest of the bunch -- due perhaps to the choice of tires they come with.
 
Perhaps you drove a new C6 Audi with 19" wheels and tires and the S-Line package. This version can be noisier and I assume it is entirely a function of the wheels and ultra low profile tires (with extra stiff sidewalls.)
 
The ride of the Audi IS firm, but it is also shudder free and able to telegraph the road to the driver.
 
The Lexus seems to me to be as comfortable and quiet as the Cadillac DTS, and able to handle better -- but the Cadillac on a smooth road at 80MPH remains like riding on your living room Barcolounger -- and even the Lexus doesn't do that.
 
Thank god.
 
I urge you to test Audi A6 again -- unless for other reasons you have totally ruled it out -- and other than this suggestion: ask them to make sure the tires are properly inflated -- well, it should be quite smooth,compliant and quiet. Moreover, it should handle very well, certainly better than the Lexus and Cadillac models it competes with.
 
Wow.
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Re: Is there a difference? [markcincinnati] by willie2l
Jan 14, 2007 (6:06 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jan 13, 2007 7:11 pm)

> I urge you to test Audi A6 again -- unless for other reasons you have totally ruled it out -- and other than this suggestion: ask them to make sure the tires are properly inflated -- well, it should be quite smooth,compliant and quiet. Moreover, it should handle very well, certainly better than the Lexus and Cadillac models it competes with. < Great point. First time I test drove the 07 A6 I thought it would knock my teeth out. Asked the dealer when I got back if the car really was that stiff. He apologized and said the cars come off the truck with 50psi and he had forgotten to adjust. Since then, I always ask if the inflation has been checked...it usually has not or they are left at 45psi so the tires don't get "flat spots" sitting on the lot. I'm still hoping that Audi comes out with a lease program for the A6 so that it is not more costly then the 530xi. If they wait much longer, I will have to wait for the 535x.
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Re: Is there a difference? [willie2l] by allagaroo
Jan 14, 2007 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: willie2l (Jan 13, 2007 9:30 am)

Tell your dealer to read his bulletins. It was sent out last Monday and expires 3/5/07. It was shown to me by the NJ dealer and the New York dealer was aware of it. The MF is .00027 and the res. did go down to 49% for 12,000 miles however if you take the Audi care for $550 the res. is increased by 1% to 50%. I gave NY dealer a deposit for a blk/blk. There isn't enough time to order to receive before my current Audi lease expires. Premium, convenience, technology, heated steering wheel, 18" wheels and Audi Care.
 
Good Luck,
J
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Re: Is there a difference? [lexusguy] by zgreatlife
Jan 14, 2007 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 13, 2007 6:31 pm)

Thanks, LexusG...I will check out the Volvo. I'm sure Avalon is similar to the Lexus, but I prefer the extra conveniences offered by the Lex.
 
Didn't realize that the Infinity's ride was harsher..may still worth looking it. Bottom line, these are all good, capable cars, and it all comes down to subjective preferences.

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