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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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A5 by dhamilton
Jan 04, 2007 (12:04 pm)
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Well here it is and it sounds yummy.http://www.autospies.com/news/Official-Audi-A5-to-Be-Unveiled-in-Geneva-11- 232
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well by dhamilton
Jan 04, 2007 (12:08 pm)
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I suck at posting links, sorry. It says that the A5 will be introduced at the Geneva show. The suspension/setup will have selections for understeer, or oversteer. I guess done electronically, via a switch?
 
Anyway, cool car. Can't wait to read about. Anyone else excited, Mark?
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [laurasdada] by lexusguy
Jan 04, 2007 (1:32 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jan 04, 2007 10:27 am)

Especially the BMW 3. Quality materials but a bit of a depressing presentation.
 
I only like the 3 series in tan leather with the natural wood finish. I'm not a fan of the black\black\black combo of many recent BMWs, its like a cave.
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [tayl0rd] by merc1
Jan 04, 2007 (9:20 pm)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Jan 04, 2007 6:25 am)

I'd say the new G's interior is actually better than the M's.
 
It definitely is from a styling standpoint, I haven't been in the new G to see if the materials are. They got rid of the big ATM buttons for one thing.
 
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [laurasdada] by markcincinnati
Jan 05, 2007 (5:21 am)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jan 04, 2007 10:27 am)

I may be wrong, but I think the praise for the G interior is for the new, refreshed for '07 iteration.
 
I would agree, the '05 G wasn't exactly in the near LPS league. And, were it not for the torque steer (my wife and I had tested a fully optioned manual transmission version of the Acura -- on a rainy day) well the Acura probably would have been a contender, even without AWD.
 
The thing had torque steer second only to an old Saab Aero we tested -- the steering wheel simply made "suggestions" to the front end. Sometimes it took the suggestion, on a rain slicked road, not so much.
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A5 by markcincinnati
Jan 05, 2007 (5:26 am)
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Here's the A5 link: Klik Here for A5 Spy
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [merc1] by domenickamarc
Jan 05, 2007 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 03, 2007 9:12 pm)

"That Audi number is somewhat of a letdown, such a car should sell much better than that."
 
Comparos, such as that in Car and Driver this month, might, gradually shift place of A6 in minds of LPS buyers. MB E63 AMG and Audi S6 rated well ahead of M5. S6 summed up as "a fast and sexy sweetheart priced to near irresistibility." Main negative: underpowered. Mark, can you put some pressure on Audi to get us further up the ladder in the HP/torque race?
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Re: A5 [markcincinnati] by dhamilton
Jan 05, 2007 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jan 05, 2007 5:26 am)

thanks Mark.
 
Also, I started a thread on future Audi platforms if interested.
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [domenickamarc] by merc1
Jan 05, 2007 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: domenickamarc (Jan 05, 2007 6:46 am)

True, but magazine comparos only carry so much weight. There are probably hundreds of thousands of car buyers that don't have a clue about C&D comparos or any other magazines for that matter. Audi's biggest problem is their image and marketing, because the cars are excellent by most measurements. Audi just needs more exposure, to get on more luxury car buyers shopping lists. We can debate the how all day long, but that is what they need.
 
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [markcincinnati] by lexusguy
Jan 05, 2007 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jan 05, 2007 5:21 am)

The thing had torque steer second only to an old Saab Aero we tested -- the steering wheel simply made "suggestions" to the front end. Sometimes it took the suggestion, on a rain slicked road, not so much.
 
The idea of the Type-S 6MT is just that much scarier. Somebody should do a comparison between that and the 9-3 Viggen to see who wins the award for worst torque steer ever. The TL's other big problem is its turning circle, 40ft in standard guise. I'm sure the Type-S is much worse. My wife's RX300 was about the same, that's the one thing she always hated about the car.

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