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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [dewey] by merc1
Jan 03, 2007 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 05, 2006 5:28 am)

You win the bet Dewey. The totals for 2006:
 
E-Class: 50,195
5-Series: 56,756
 
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [merc1] by drtravel
Jan 03, 2007 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 03, 2007 1:37 pm)

Other LPS 2006 Sales figues:
 
Lexus GS - 27,390
Cadillac STS - 25,676
Infiniti M - 25,658
Audi A6 - 16,216
Acura RL - 11,501
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who knows by dhamilton
Jan 03, 2007 (7:03 pm)
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what will fit in the next model. If the clutch is moved back, [four inches according to rumors] and the engine supposedly fitting in differently, then indeed, who knows.
 
So mark, are you saying that the new torque vectoring will work more like the Nissan ATTESSA? Or will it still be a full time AWD system.
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GM........ by rockylee
Jan 03, 2007 (8:53 pm)
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GM, is working on a overhead-cam V8 codenamed "Ultra" which is most likely to debut in the 2009' Cadillac STS. It is expected to make power numbers similar the big-bore Mercedes Benz's engine fleet.
 
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german car blog by dhamilton
Jan 03, 2007 (9:03 pm)
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I just read in the German car blog that the new A5 will be able to fit and will come with the 3.6 FSI engine.
 
So it stands to reason sense the A5 will share a platform with the next gen A4, that the next gen A4 will have a 3.6.
 
Now, what will the horsepower and torque be at that point?
 
I also read that they are working on an inline 5 cylinder turbo for future TTS, and TT RS models. That could be a really cool motor.
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [drtravel] by merc1
Jan 03, 2007 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Jan 03, 2007 3:40 pm)

That Audi number is somewhat of a letdown, such a car should sell much better than that.
 
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [merc1] by lexusguy
Jan 03, 2007 (9:52 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 03, 2007 9:12 pm)

That Audi number is somewhat of a letdown, such a car should sell much better than that.
 
Well, the A6 and A8 have only been on par with\better than their competition for a single generation. Its going to take more time than that to convince American LPS buyers that Audi is on level footing with the 5s and Es that they continue to buy in droves.
 
Somebody is definitely fired over the RL's performance. 58% of the target is not what I'd call a good result.
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [lexusguy] by merc1
Jan 03, 2007 (10:00 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 03, 2007 9:52 pm)

I guess you're right.
 
I predict Honda will ok the V8 and RWD platform needed to make Acura a real luxury marque. If they don't then I have no idea what else they can do with an Accord platform stretched across and entire brand up to and including the "flagship". If the next NSX can have a V10 then shave off 2 cylinders and poof(!) a V8 is born.
 
I thought I'd read somewhere that the RL was going to have a cheaper base model this year sometime?
 
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [merc1] by lexusguy
Jan 03, 2007 (10:24 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 03, 2007 10:00 pm)

I thought I'd read somewhere that the RL was going to have a cheaper base model this year sometime?
 
I'm not really sure where they can go in terms of pricing. The TL Type-S can now stretch up to $37K or so, and the RL's actual sale price is $40K. The RL is already down on features compared to its rivals. If they cut out the NAV, voice command, and the fancy stereo, you're left with a car that has the features of an early '90s A6.
 
If Acura wants to sell this car, they need to stop being so "Acura" about it. This is the full-on luxury category, if you cheap out, people will know, and they won't buy. 8\4-way seats are unacceptable. A plastic twist knob when everyone else has a start button is unacceptable. What were they thinking on that one? Twist knobs are to replace the key when you introduce keyless ignition midway through a car's life cycle, you don't design it that way!
 
Acura also needs to fire everyone who does their interiors, and steal some guys away from Audi and Lexus at any cost. With the redesign of the G35, the TL now has the worst in class interior other than the CTS, but Cadillac is about to fix that. (And it could be argued that the TL was worse than the old G35) Same goes for the RL.
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [lexusguy] by merc1
Jan 03, 2007 (11:21 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 03, 2007 10:24 pm)

Scathing LG, scathing.
 
Their seats still have different adjustments for the driver and passenger? That no height adjustment for the passenger seat is still there?
 
To be fair though, the "worst" interior in the class is little bit much don't you think. I like the IS350's interior the most out of the Japanese entries. I'm kinda split on the TL/G35.
 
In the RL's class though I like all the German interiors better along with the M and GS. There just isn't anything special or different enough about the RL interior compared to the TL.
 
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