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#8982 of 10006 Hmmm by markcincinnati Jan 03, 2007 (8:24 am)
But, what if Audis A6 4.2 is LESS money than a new 535xi?   Will that win friends and influence customers?   Or will the 535 be somehow compared with the then most potent 6 cylinder version of the A6 (and a similar offering from Mercedes in the E class?)   I do remember my friend's i6 5 series was MORE money than my V8 A6 back in 2001 -- and I had quattro too.   Nope, nope, nope -- I still think Audi needs a blown or at least more potent middle child 6 cylinder.   That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!
#8983 of 10006 mark by dhamilton Jan 03, 2007 (10:51 am)
Yes, I agree. Audi needs to blow some sweet wind in that 3.2 motor. Or, maybe, [fingers crossed] they are going to bring the 3.6 to market, and blow a little love n it.   Either way, they can't stand pat. [no pun intended Pat ]   Also, I sent them a very forceful email about how crappy their ED program is when compared to BMW. It's little things like that that make me think that AOA is run by suits, badly in need of a lobotomy. Replies to this message: shipo (Jan 03, 2007 11:22 am) markcincinnati (Jan 03, 2007 11:45 am) shipo (Jan 03, 2007 12:09 pm)
#8984 of 10006 Re: mark [dhamilton] by shipo Jan 03, 2007 (11:22 am)
Replying to: dhamilton (Jan 03, 2007 10:51 am) "Or, maybe, [fingers crossed] they are going to bring the 3.6 to market..."   Does Audi have a 3.6 liter variant of their V6?   Best Regards, Shipo Replies to this message: markcincinnati (Jan 03, 2007 11:45 am) shipo (Jan 03, 2007 12:09 pm)
#8985 of 10006 Re: mark [shipo] by markcincinnati Jan 03, 2007 (11:45 am)
Replying to: shipo (Jan 03, 2007 11:22 am) Yes, no, but.   Sorta, kinda, maybe.   Check out the Q7 with the 6.   It is a 3.6L.   I heard it won't fit in an A6, tho.   Too fat.   I read about a 3.2T FSI mule that was deliberately tuned to be 295HP and some number OVER 300 for torque. I think it was "tuned" to be 295 so as not to threaten the 4.2 which at the time had a 310 or 320HP rating and perhaps just at 300 pound feet (at a higher RPM.)   Now, however, therefore, notwithstanding: BMW's 3.0 turbo is easily 300+ HP and sure nuff, the BMW sales reps say the 3.0 will somewhat cannibalize the sales of the V8's. It's the torque, it's the torque don't you know -- it comes on so strong, so early and then seems to just keep on in a nice linear fashion, well, it somewhat DOES make the V8 less necessary.   Then you add to it the blown engine's capabilities as the altitude rises and couple that with ever better economy and emissions, and again a 350HP V8 seems EXPENSIVE and darn near a "why bother" when we all know how easily a slightly hotter chipset can be put into the blown 6 banger and up its HP and torque another 10 - 20% without even breaking a sweat.   Hmm, a mild chip upgrade in the "35" Bimmer engine would take it to 330HP and add what "at least" another 30 pound feet.   Oh yea, Shipo, the answer to you question remains, "sort of."     Replies to this message: shipo (Jan 03, 2007 12:09 pm)
#8986 of 10006 Re: mark [markcincinnati] by shipo Jan 03, 2007 (12:09 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Jan 03, 2007 11:45 am) Ahhh, you're talking about the VW VR6 engine. You are correct, it won't fit because it is too long (nearly as long as an I6).   Best Regards, Shipo
#8987 of 10006 Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [dewey] by merc1 Jan 03, 2007 (1:37 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Apr 05, 2006 5:28 am) You win the bet Dewey. The totals for 2006:   E-Class: 50,195 5-Series: 56,756   M Replies to this message: drtravel (Jan 03, 2007 3:40 pm) merc1 (Jan 03, 2007 9:12 pm) lexusguy (Jan 03, 2007 9:52 pm) and 15 more... domenickamarc (Jan 05, 2007 6:46 am) and 2 more...
#8988 of 10006 Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [merc1] by drtravel Jan 03, 2007 (3:40 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 03, 2007 1:37 pm) Other LPS 2006 Sales figues:   Lexus GS - 27,390 Cadillac STS - 25,676 Infiniti M - 25,658 Audi A6 - 16,216 Acura RL - 11,501 Replies to this message: merc1 (Jan 03, 2007 9:12 pm) lexusguy (Jan 03, 2007 9:52 pm) merc1 (Jan 03, 2007 10:00 pm) and 14 more... domenickamarc (Jan 05, 2007 6:46 am) merc1 (Jan 05, 2007 7:36 am) markcincinnati (Jan 05, 2007 1:23 pm)
#8989 of 10006 who knows by dhamilton Jan 03, 2007 (7:03 pm)
what will fit in the next model. If the clutch is moved back, [four inches according to rumors] and the engine supposedly fitting in differently, then indeed, who knows.   So mark, are you saying that the new torque vectoring will work more like the Nissan ATTESSA? Or will it still be a full time AWD system. Replies to this message: markcincinnati (Jan 04, 2007 5:33 am)
#8990 of 10006 GM........ by rockylee Jan 03, 2007 (8:53 pm)
GM, is working on a overhead-cam V8 codenamed "Ultra" which is most likely to debut in the 2009' Cadillac STS. It is expected to make power numbers similar the big-bore Mercedes Benz's engine fleet.   Rocky
#8991 of 10006 german car blog by dhamilton Jan 03, 2007 (9:03 pm)
I just read in the German car blog that the new A5 will be able to fit and will come with the 3.6 FSI engine.   So it stands to reason sense the A5 will share a platform with the next gen A4, that the next gen A4 will have a 3.6.   Now, what will the horsepower and torque be at that point?   I also read that they are working on an inline 5 cylinder turbo for future TTS, and TT RS models. That could be a really cool motor.

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