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#8822 of 10007 Re: . [sidv] by markcincinnati Dec 03, 2006 (8:04 pm)
Replying to: sidv (Dec 03, 2006 5:42 pm) I am often wrong, but never uncertain: I am certain, at this point, that SAABs are not in the LPS pack, regardless of their status as living OR dead or nearly dead or not.   I assume your passion is genuine -- perhaps this is just not the forum to express it.   Lord knows I have been a champion of the Audi brand which, until recently was either in jeopardy of losing its LPS status (and for some folks, I'd wager they aren't too keen on it being there in the first place) or is such a recent entrant that it is "on probation." A few years ago, I saw a ranking of cars (this was in Audis literature or attributed to Audi) that placed Audi, SAAB and Volvo in the "possible to join the club" status. Most folks that get paid to opine on this subject finally allowed Audi to join when the C6 was brought to market. FWIW, the current Acura RL has just become an LPS club member, too.   As far as I know, neither SAAB or Volvo have products that are at this moment in the LPS crowd. Near-premium or entry level-LPS, perhaps.   It is perhaps true, too, that FWD "only" cars need not apply (and, I, for one, happen to believe for practical purposes this is a bit unfair) for they seem unable to convince "anyone" (well, hardly, anyone) that they can play in a field that has Performance as one of its criteria. The current RL, by virtue of its AWD (or SH-AWD) is another case in point (and the lack of a V8 is sometimes cited as a reason the RL is a "poser" despite the fact that most of the Audi A6's, BMW 5's and Mercedes E's sold are 6 cylinders (for all I know this is true of the Lexus GS and Infiniti M's too.)   Were someone to give me a SAAB, I would be quite happy to accept it. I do suspect, however, that at this point in time SAAB automobiles are considered (again by those who shape opinions and who get paid to do so) great cars circa 1999.   Born from jets? Perhaps a cool marketing idea. But. . .SAAB doesn't offer cars that are much in touch (competitively) with what is being put forth by "these other guys" discussed on the LPS forum (even Lexus.) Replies to this message: lexusguy (Dec 04, 2006 5:57 am)
#8823 of 10007 Re: . [markcincinnati] by lexusguy Dec 04, 2006 (5:57 am)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Dec 03, 2006 8:04 pm) As far as I know, neither SAAB or Volvo have products that are at this moment in the LPS crowd. Near-premium or entry level-LPS, perhaps.   Actually I think the new S80 qualifies Volvo as a genuine LPS player. (It is on the list at the top of the board after all). The last one definitely not, but now that it offers a V8 and AWD, and the price can go over $50K, its a LPS, at least as much as the RL is, if not more so.   The 9-5 on the other hand is like the TL or ES. Big for an entry-lux car, but still entry-lux, and not on this board.
#8824 of 10007 Re: . [lexusguy] by warthog Dec 04, 2006 (3:31 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Dec 03, 2006 3:10 pm) Lexusguy: I think you mistook my point. I was just being a bit sarcastic--poking a stick at the PC that is often enforced around here. You know we're not allowed to generalize about owners from the cars they drive.    I don't give a flip about Saabs or Lexi.   Ducking now.
#8825 of 10007 Re: . [sidv] by maxhonda99 Dec 05, 2006 (5:11 am)
Replying to: sidv (Dec 03, 2006 5:42 pm) Right on, Saabs rule. People just don't see how unique and awesome Saab cars are. I especially think the Saab 9-7 is marvelous. Replies to this message: qbrozen (Dec 05, 2006 10:54 am)
#8826 of 10007 Re: . [maxhonda99] by qbrozen Dec 05, 2006 (10:54 am)
Replying to: maxhonda99 (Dec 05, 2006 5:11 am) You're right, I don't see how "unique" a Trailblazer ... i mean Rainier ... I mean Envoy ... I mean Ascender ... I mean 9-7x is.
#8827 of 10007 As Katie Daryl says: "Guess What, Who Cares?" by markcincinnati Dec 05, 2006 (2:22 pm)
Despite it lackluster sales performance in the US of LATE, Audi overall is on a roll.   In Germany, at least. Well, in China, too. And, actually even in Great Britan.   I know this is MOSTLY a US web log site, but:   "The Audi A6 is the clear no. 1 in its category in Germany with 52,299 registrations in the first 10 months!"   Or, an average of 5,229 per month for 10 months.   In the US have we ever sold 2,000 per month for two months in a row? I don't think so.   What does this mean?   Probably, "who cares?"   Thought I'd share with you fans of the brand, that Audi indeed had yet another record month, November (just not HERE in Vaspucci-land -- or did we? see below.) (But not really 'd.)   "AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Audi of America, Inc. today reported sales of 9,209 for the month of November, making it the best November in the company’s history. Sales are up 16.4% over the same period in 2005. For the calendar year to date, Audi sales total 78,219, up 5.4% over 2005. Audi is on pace to set a sales record this year." - November 4th, 2006 Audi of America. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Dec 05, 2006 2:59 pm) markcincinnati (Dec 05, 2006 5:34 pm)
#8828 of 10007 Re: As Katie Daryl says: "Guess What, Who Cares?" [markcincinnati] by lexusguy Dec 05, 2006 (2:59 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Dec 05, 2006 2:22 pm) Speaking of the A6 Mark, I've got a question for you. What do you think of the latest Avant? The wife is thinking of trading in her RX for a new car. She still wants AWD, but is willing to give up the space of the RX (we really don't use it) for better fuel economy. She wants more space though than the typical LPS trunk, which makes the A6 Avant seem like a good choice.   What do you recommend in terms of option packages, leasing etc? Also, I've been meaning to talk home theater with you, I've got some new Bel Canto amplifiers and a bunch of other stuff. I'll send you an email about that. Replies to this message: markcincinnati (Dec 05, 2006 5:34 pm)
#8829 of 10007 Knock-knock....looking for Santa! by KarenS HOST Dec 05, 2006 (4:58 pm)
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#8830 of 10007 Re: As Katie Daryl says: "Guess What, Who Cares?" [lexusguy] by markcincinnati Dec 05, 2006 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Dec 05, 2006 2:59 pm) Since there is no longer an allroad in the US, the Avant makes a great imitation. Test drive it, I can't imagine you will be disappointed.
#8831 of 10007 Audi is "Car Company of the Year" by domenickamarc Dec 05, 2006 (10:45 pm)
Nov 16, 2006   AUDI AG has been presented with one of the automotive world’s most important and coveted Awards. The decisive factor for the Autocar jury was the range of products that Audi has launched in recent years. When compared to models from premium competitors such as BMW and Mercedes, the magazine concluded that Audi products: "offered equal value, were arguably better built, and often technologically more interesting. Our exhaustive tests show its models now stand with the best“.

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