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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 03, 2006 2:09 pm) I just sold my tired 2000 A6 w/100,000 miles and bought a Mazda CX-7. 244 HP / 258 lb. ft. single turbo 4 banger, almost the same specs as my old 6-cylinder twin-turbo Audi!Amazing low end power, not necessary to push this thing hard to get going,almost no turbo lag due in part to the DISI--(direct injection spark ignition) 6 speed tip-tronic style transmission and currently about 17 mpg in town on premium fuel.About 2200 rpm at 60 mph in 6th gear. Not bad specs for a 4,000 lb all wheel drive SUV.
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Replying to: fonefixer (Nov 04, 2006 1:06 pm) Mazda's turbo 2.3 is the best engine they have. I think the RX-8 would be better with that engine than with its wankel rotary. It wouldn't guzzle oil like the like the rotary engine does, and the turbo four also has the advantage of about 100ft.lbs more torque. |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Nov 03, 2006 1:08 pm) 1. reliability 2. emission. If BMW's turbo holds up well, the competition may indeed give another look to the turbos.
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Replying to: brightness04 (Nov 04, 2006 2:24 pm)  I think reliability will be just fine.  Rocky P.S. nice to see ya on the boards.
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While the contents of many recent posts are interesting, it's unlcear to me what relevance they have to a comparative discussion of LPS cars. On the other hand, if a question about why German brands are not wringing 300hp out of their engines has switched us over to a discussion of where can we find the most horsepower and low-end torque for the buck, then we appear to be on track ... and, then, let's not leave out the Dodge Charger SRT8: zero to 60 in 4.9 seconds; 425hp; and 0.87g on the skidpad. By comparison, in Car and Driver's road test, with 244 horsepower at 5000 rpm, the CX-7 AWD Sport hauled its 3920 pounds to 60 mph in 7.9 seconds and on through the quarter-mile in 16.1 seconds at 87 mph -- 0.84g on the skidpad. And they averaged only 14 mpg during testing, well below the EPA’s findings of 18/24 mpg which, in turn, is lower even than, just for an example, a 4000+ lb Audi A6's EPA figures.
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Replying to: domenickamarc (Nov 04, 2006 6:37 pm) I'm not sure what your point is here. Talking about the power of BMW's 530i and Audi's A6 3.2 v the competition is very much on topic. I don't think "horses-per-dollar" was ever part of the discussion. All luxury performance sedans will score poorly by that matrix...they're luxury cars. You're paying for luxury after all, not just a big lump of iron with a lot of power. The best engines in the compact ute class are currently in the RAV4 V6 and X3 3.0i. The turbo fours in the competition are slower...and thirstier. The one exception is the WRX engine in the Forester XT, which is fast enough to chase X5 and Caynne V8s. I still don't get how Subaru was able to pull that off with 224hp.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 04, 2006 8:13 pm) Ironically, your last two sentences (in the excerpt I quoted) makes the point I was trying to make, but you said it more clearly. Perhaps a misreading, but while I certainly agree that talking about the power of BMW's 530i and Audi's A6 3.2 v the competition is very much on topic, I did read the comparison of a 2000 A6 w/100,000 miles versus a Mazda CX-7 as veering off in the direction of "hp/$$" as a way to the address that topic. I didn't get any other point from simply noting that there are cheaper cars which offer more horsepower and torque than the typical German LPS, but maybe there is one.
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Replying to: domenickamarc (Nov 04, 2006 8:57 pm) I read it as just a comparison of Japanese and German engine power, and not necessarily LPS vs. mainstream CUV. When I was talking about German vs Japanese engines a few posts back, I was including VW's 1.8T and 2.8, and 3.0s from Nissan, Honda, and Toyota, not just the LPS cars. I don't think the intention was to say that the CX-7 was a better "value" than the Audi, but I could be wrong.
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