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#8667 of 9978 Re: Cadillac [sfcharlie] by lexusguy Nov 04, 2006 (8:25 am)
Replying to: sfcharlie (Nov 04, 2006 8:00 am) Saab led the pack with retail sales up 45 percent, driven by 9-3 and 9-7X.   People are actually buying the 9-7X? I'm surprised at that. Its something like a year away from death, and its based on a last generation Trailblazer. GM's own GMT900 trucks are much better.
#8668 of 9978 Re: Partial October Sales Figures [drtravel] by merc1 Nov 04, 2006 (10:54 am)
Replying to: drtravel (Nov 04, 2006 7:22 am) GM's entire breakout is in the link I posted. They really give you some good info there. Numbers of units sold vs. how many sold and so on for every GM make and model.   M
#8669 of 9978 If the Infiniti M35x and BMW530xi were the same price... by shermanl Nov 04, 2006 (12:24 pm)
Let's just say they were the same price, which one would you buy and why?
#8670 of 9978 Re: What's up with the Germans and 255 (ish) HP? [lexusguy] by fonefixer Nov 04, 2006 (1:06 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 03, 2006 2:09 pm) No kidding about your comment "and fours that w/o forced induction would have horse and buggy levels of power."   I just sold my tired 2000 A6 w/100,000 miles and bought a Mazda CX-7. 244 HP / 258 lb. ft. single turbo 4 banger, almost the same specs as my old 6-cylinder twin-turbo Audi!Amazing low end power, not necessary to push this thing hard to get going,almost no turbo lag due in part to the DISI--(direct injection spark ignition) 6 speed tip-tronic style transmission and currently about 17 mpg in town on premium fuel.About 2200 rpm at 60 mph in 6th gear. Not bad specs for a 4,000 lb all wheel drive SUV. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 04, 2006 2:18 pm)
#8671 of 9978 Re: What's up with the Germans and 255 (ish) HP? [fonefixer] by lexusguy Nov 04, 2006 (2:18 pm)
Replying to: fonefixer (Nov 04, 2006 1:06 pm) Amazing low end power, not necessary to push this thing hard to get going,almost no turbo lag due in part to the DISI--(direct injection spark ignition)   Mazda's turbo 2.3 is the best engine they have. I think the RX-8 would be better with that engine than with its wankel rotary. It wouldn't guzzle oil like the like the rotary engine does, and the turbo four also has the advantage of about 100ft.lbs more torque.
#8672 of 9978 Re: What's up with the Germans and 255 (ish) HP? [markcincinnati] by brightness04 Nov 04, 2006 (2:24 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Nov 03, 2006 1:08 pm) IIRC, the main hicups with A6 2.7T (and allroad) were   1. reliability 2. emission.   If BMW's turbo holds up well, the competition may indeed give another look to the turbos. Replies to this message: rockylee (Nov 04, 2006 4:41 pm)
#8673 of 9978 Re: What's up with the Germans and 255 (ish) HP? [brightness04] by rockylee Nov 04, 2006 (4:41 pm)
Replying to: brightness04 (Nov 04, 2006 2:24 pm) One thing I will say is brightness, these aren't your fathers turbos I think reliability will be just fine.   Rocky   P.S. nice to see ya on the boards.
#8674 of 9978 Horsepower forum? by domenickamarc Nov 04, 2006 (6:37 pm)
While the contents of many recent posts are interesting, it's unlcear to me what relevance they have to a comparative discussion of LPS cars.   On the other hand, if a question about why German brands are not wringing 300hp out of their engines has switched us over to a discussion of where can we find the most horsepower and low-end torque for the buck, then we appear to be on track ... and, then, let's not leave out the Dodge Charger SRT8: zero to 60 in 4.9 seconds; 425hp; and 0.87g on the skidpad.   By comparison, in Car and Driver's road test, with 244 horsepower at 5000 rpm, the CX-7 AWD Sport hauled its 3920 pounds to 60 mph in 7.9 seconds and on through the quarter-mile in 16.1 seconds at 87 mph -- 0.84g on the skidpad. And they averaged only 14 mpg during testing, well below the EPA’s findings of 18/24 mpg which, in turn, is lower even than, just for an example, a 4000+ lb Audi A6's EPA figures. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 04, 2006 8:13 pm) domenickamarc (Nov 04, 2006 8:57 pm) lexusguy (Nov 04, 2006 9:00 pm) and 24 more...
#8675 of 9978 Re: Horsepower forum? [domenickamarc] by lexusguy Nov 04, 2006 (8:13 pm)
Replying to: domenickamarc (Nov 04, 2006 6:37 pm) On the other hand, if a question about why German brands are not wringing 300hp out of their engines has switched us over to a discussion of where can we find the most horsepower and low-end torque for the buck, then we appear to be on track ... and, then, let's not leave out the Dodge Charger SRT8: zero to 60 in 4.9 seconds; 425hp; and 0.87g on the skidpad.   I'm not sure what your point is here. Talking about the power of BMW's 530i and Audi's A6 3.2 v the competition is very much on topic. I don't think "horses-per-dollar" was ever part of the discussion. All luxury performance sedans will score poorly by that matrix...they're luxury cars. You're paying for luxury after all, not just a big lump of iron with a lot of power.   The best engines in the compact ute class are currently in the RAV4 V6 and X3 3.0i. The turbo fours in the competition are slower...and thirstier. The one exception is the WRX engine in the Forester XT, which is fast enough to chase X5 and Caynne V8s. I still don't get how Subaru was able to pull that off with 224hp. Replies to this message: domenickamarc (Nov 04, 2006 8:57 pm) lexusguy (Nov 04, 2006 9:00 pm) fonefixer (Nov 06, 2006 4:39 pm) and 23 more...
#8676 of 9978 Re: Horsepower forum? [lexusguy] by domenickamarc Nov 04, 2006 (8:57 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 04, 2006 8:13 pm) I'm not sure what your point is here. Talking about the power of BMW's 530i and Audi's A6 3.2 v the competition is very much on topic. I don't think "horses-per-dollar" was ever part of the discussion. All luxury performance sedans will score poorly by that matrix...they're luxury cars. You're paying for luxury after all, not just a big lump of iron with a lot of power.   Ironically, your last two sentences (in the excerpt I quoted) makes the point I was trying to make, but you said it more clearly.   Perhaps a misreading, but while I certainly agree that talking about the power of BMW's 530i and Audi's A6 3.2 v the competition is very much on topic, I did read the comparison of a 2000 A6 w/100,000 miles versus a Mazda CX-7 as veering off in the direction of "hp/$$" as a way to the address that topic. I didn't get any other point from simply noting that there are cheaper cars which offer more horsepower and torque than the typical German LPS, but maybe there is one. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 04, 2006 9:00 pm) fonefixer (Nov 06, 2006 4:39 pm) domenickamarc (Nov 07, 2006 12:02 pm) and 22 more...

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