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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 15, 2006 9:05 pm) Merc, I have no idea how BMW and Mercedes compare, along the specific dimension Business Week emphasized, which was ordering a vehicle with a customized set of individual options. I also wasn't quoting Business Week in order to praise BMW as the brand offering the most flexibility, only to add to the forum discussion an interesting contrast of brands offered by the CEOs of the two companies being contrasted. Unfortunately for Mercedes right now, when I read about its CEO being interviewed, he is always forced to defend the brand against the assault that CR and JDP have mounted against it.
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Replying to: domenickamarc (Oct 15, 2006 9:40 pm) M |
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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 15, 2006 9:04 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 15, 2006 10:18 pm) M
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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 15, 2006 10:26 pm) Good question. The Passat has for a long time either been their top rated family sedan, or 2nd place behind the Accord, but its sales are only a tiny fraction of what Camry and Accord ring in. It also often misses the "recommended" mark. I wonder if the two are related. |
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Replying to: domenickamarc (Oct 15, 2006 6:31 pm) Being tall, and having a long torso, I just don't have many cars I can sit in comfortably that have the seemingly mandatory sunroof. To get some of the basic nice things, almost none of the LPS cars can be had without one, which severely limits my choices. Building a car with just the desired specs would open up the possiblities greatly. The US dealers like the instant sale and don't want the trouble of opening up the issues of so many options...well, they lost my business. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 16, 2006 10:46 am) M
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Replying to: merc1 (Oct 17, 2006 10:25 am) Good point. A "to the gills" 3.6 is ES350 money, way out of the Camry's league.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 16, 2006 10:46 am) Once again, I spent time helping someone look at cars. This time the incumbant brand was Cadillac. She wanted to look at some "similar" LPS cars. We looked at the M's from Infiniti, even the 300C and a Mercedes. The prices, at first, were also similar. At the last moment (although truth be told she had already decided on another Cadillac) Cadillac "forgave" her last 4 month's lease payments, made her first lease payment on the new car (waived all up front fees, so she had a $0.00 transaction for 30 days) and made her lease 36 months and 18,000 miles, rather than the more traditional 15,000 per year. Her payment dropped nearly $200 per month on the 2006 CTS -- over her 2003. No one else could touch it. She wanted the Cadillac -- "once a Roll's man [er woman] always a Roll's man [sic]" -- Magic. CR sells no cars to nobody I know of, i.e. Of course, as usual, I could be wrong, just not uncertain. 
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 17, 2006 1:30 pm) Yeah, in that case one of the other brands would have to have some kind of miracle deal in order for her to leave Cadillac. Some people are that way, (like you and Audi, for example) but I think most of the car buying public are "lot buyers" that go to one dealership, most likely the one they bought their last car from, decide on what type of car they want, and take what the dealer has on the lot. I'll give you an example. A few years ago, a friend of my wife was in an accident, and her Chrysler 300M was totaled. She probably would've just gone back to the Chrysler dealer for another 300M, but my wife suggested to her that I go along with her on some test drives and check out the competition. We looked at the TL, S80, Passat, A6 and she even briefly considered a 4Runner, but she ultimately went with an Avalon, which she liked a lot more than the Chrysler. I really don't think it even occurs to most people that there are about 10 other cars on the market competing directly with their car.
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