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Re: The homogenized car [sfcharlie] by lexusguy
Oct 09, 2006 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: sfcharlie (Oct 09, 2006 1:58 pm)

For Lexus to do well in Germany, they need more than just one diesel engine in one car. They need to take the GS back to the drawing board, and they need to build the LF-X, and make it fun to drive.
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Re: The homogenized car [lexusguy] by sfcharlie
Oct 09, 2006 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 09, 2006 10:59 am)

The Japanese are like us, they want imports. No Lincoln or Cadillac is as impressive to (most) Americans than a Mercedes or BMW. The same is true in Japan, only its Lexus stuck being the "domestic choice"."
 
The Germans, then, it would appear, are not like us, in wanting imports.
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Re: The homogenized car [sfcharlie] by lexusguy
Oct 09, 2006 (10:39 pm)
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Replying to: sfcharlie (Oct 09, 2006 7:06 pm)

The Germans, then, it would appear, are not like us, in wanting imports.
 
Its not just Germany, but most of western Europe. I think some of it has to do with protectionist import tariffs, (a 350Z in the UK is the equivalent of $50K+) but I also think that Europeans generally like to drive European cars. Germany invented the car, its hard to compete with that.
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Re: The homogenized car [lexusguy] by markcincinnati
Oct 10, 2006 (4:37 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 09, 2006 10:39 pm)

I think, too, that it has something to do with the paucity of diesel offerings from elsewhere.
 
In Europe, in Germany, 70% of the LPS cars are diesel. Audi sells 50% diesel there, in fact.
 
Overall the numbers for diesel in Europe are ~ 1 in 3. Where are they gonna import from that can give them what they want, at this time?
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Re: The homogenized car [markcincinnati] by rockylee
Oct 10, 2006 (4:43 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 10, 2006 4:37 am)

Well who in theor right mind wouldn't want a Audi diesel ? It only gets 35 mpg hwy and has enough torque to fimly implant your backside in your seat.
 
Rocky
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Re: The homogenized car [rockylee] by sfcharlie
Oct 10, 2006 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Oct 10, 2006 4:43 am)

Rocky, you, I believe, just wrote in the German car-enthusiast dialect
 
Charlie
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Re: The homogenized car [sfcharlie] by rockylee
Oct 10, 2006 (6:13 am)
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Replying to: sfcharlie (Oct 10, 2006 5:51 am)

Well I'm a big fan of the 4,2 V-8 diesel. I've read alot of good reviews and as Angus McKenzie said from Motor Trend it might be the best diesel engine in the world. So yeah I like that kind of German engineering, even though I'd never be able to afford such a luxury.
 
Rocky
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S6 - the temporary king of the LPS class? by markcincinnati
Oct 10, 2006 (7:33 am)
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I got behind the wheel (and did not drive it) of a S6. It was, as I recall, $77K. It had the technology package and some other single options, but it was well equipped.
 
While talking with my long time sales rep he got a call that says his first sold S8 will be in Oct 16. MSRP $122K.
 
The S8 is the SWB version of the A8 chassis, yes?
 
The engine is the same as is in the S6 (a few HP different.)
 
The S8 had the $7000 B&O sound system and that counts for something, I guess.
 
My "were I to be granted one wish" for a free Audi car WAS an S8. Perhaps if it were free, that wish would stand.
 
But, from the behind the wheel perch of an S6, I just wonder what extras would be gained in the S8 -- performance? Do Dads?
 
The S6 may be, at this moment, the ultimate LPS car.
 
The M5, I can only assume, will be above that and remain at the top of the heap until or unless an RS6 comes out and then, who knows.
 
Mercedes AMG must have something that would be competitive, what, pray tell is it?
 
Do any of the Japanese brands offer the jump to ludicrous speed (Dark Helmet?)
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Re: S6 - the temporary king of the LPS class? [markcincinnati] by laurasdada
Oct 10, 2006 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Oct 10, 2006 7:33 am)

Funny, Mark. You don't look Druish... Underrated flick, imo. Nice referenece.
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Re: S6 - the temporary king of the LPS class? [laurasdada] by markcincinnati
Oct 10, 2006 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Oct 10, 2006 8:28 am)

You are correct, I am not Druish, but I am half-man, half-dog, I'm a MOG, I'm my own best friend!

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