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Got this from somewhere else. My copy of C&D hasn't come in the mail yet. "C&D November - M45 vs. 550i vs. E550 vs. GS450h 1. Infiniti M45 Sport 2. BMW 550i Sport 3. Mercedes-Benz E550 4. Lexus GS450h The Infiniti had a one point advantage over the BMW overall. The BMW edged out the Infiniti by two points in the Fun-To-Drive category, but the Infiniti had a 5 point advantage in the Price category. The BMW cost almost $15,000 more than the Infiniti. The BMW was almost $71,000! The Infiniti also won the Got-To-Have-It category, edging out the BMW by one point."
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Replying to: kgary (Sep 24, 2006 6:41 am) I am considering the PZero M+S -- any feedback? Treadwear?
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Replying to: jrock65 (Sep 24, 2006 7:31 am) Fair enough. Price-wise BMW will lose out all the time against the competition, except maybe Benzes. The 'Fun to Drive" aspect of BMWs are valued more higher by some drivers who usually end up being BMW owners. My BMW335i will be priced slightly above the competition. But IMO the BMW335i is the best value!
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 24, 2006 12:08 pm) Kevin |
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Replying to: dewey (Sep 24, 2006 2:08 pm) Note that the M also won the C&D "Gotta have it" category, which is the closest category they have to " most desired car, independent of price." The interesting thing IMO, is that the M wins, despite the fact these reviews tend to ignore two very important areas almost entirely. 1) Reliability. Look at consumer reports reliability surveys where the M far outshines the BMW and M-B. Also look at the Consumer reports Owner Satisfaction Survey, where the M wins with 92% of owners who would buy again, as compared to about 70% of 5-Series owners, and 62% of E-Series owners. Seems to me these are very big issues when it comes to overall value, yet not even considered in the C&D review. Don't you feel kind of foolish every time you have to bring this very high priced car into the shop. I know I do with my M-B. 2) Navigation and other electronics. As a serious user of Navigation (and a successfully retired software developer), I feel pretty clear about the fact that the M's navigation (including a wonderful voice command for destination street addresses) completely blows away the BMW and M-B systems, in so many ways. These reviews place far less weight on these systems than than their actual effect on most potential owners. (C&D IS an enthusiast rag after all. However PC magazine, Popular Mechanics and others also give the M luxury car of the year, coming from a very strong technology perspective) Look at the M's incredibly bright rear view monitor (even in the black of night) The lines showing your car's path, as you turn that steering wheel, are a total pleasure in every parking experience and every time you're in reverse. Again, given very short shrift in these reviews. If you look at the total package: The "Gotta Have It" quality, reliability, great electronics, a fantastic performer and a great handling car to boot, it's hard to see how the M wouldn't be a much bigger winner, or how the BMW can be the better valued car. My plan, before I bought my M, was to find the best car I could for less than $110K. I got the M not because it was the best car for the money, but because, from my perspective, it was the best car period. I'd really have preferred to pay more if meant getting a better car and getting some more prestige along with it. In the end, I had to go with what I thought was the best car, and after more than a year, I haven't been disappointed. But to each their own. Pete |
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Replying to: jrock65 (Sep 24, 2006 7:31 am) 2. BMW 550i Sport 3. Mercedes-Benz E550 4. Lexus GS450h " Were they all automatics? Since the M & E550 only come that way, I hope the BMW was also equipped with theirs... Thanks, - Ray Also not yet received my copy of C+D.... |
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Got this elsewhere. Consumer Reports annual owner satisfaction survey (April 2006) asks OWNERS to rate their satisfaction with their own cars. The question they ask for this survey, as always, is: "Would you buy this car again?" The Survey lists the following cars (Shown next to the percentage of owners who would buy it again.) * 92% - Infiniti M35/M45 * 89% - Lexus GS300/GS430 * 89% - Lexus LS430 * 80% - Audi A6 sedan (V6) * 78% - Acura RL * 75% - Jaguar XJ Series * 75% - Audi A8 * 72% - BMW 5 Series (V8) * 70% - Lincoln Town Car * 69% - BMW 5 Series (6-cyl.) * 67% - Cadillac STS * 64% - BMW 7 Series * 63% - Jaguar S-Type * 62% - Mercedes-Benz E-Class |
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Replying to: jrock65 (Sep 24, 2006 7:31 am) On a more serious note, I wish they would have tested the V6 varieties. Most people actually buy these than the V8s. The M35 probably would have come out on top as it is very near the M45 in performance. The 525/530 not so close to the 550, the GS350 is close to the GS450h. Went to the Taste of Lexus event yesterday. Test drove the IS350, GS450h, LS460, S550, and 750 on a road course. Pretty good experience. Curiously no special instructions were given to us prior to blast off except for the 750 where they explained to all drivers how to shift and adjust the seats. You mean BMW controls are not intuitive?
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Replying to: drtravel (Sep 25, 2006 10:03 am)  I agree the 6 cylinders are probably the most commonly sold, but LPS's, as described here, refer to the performance side, so the V8's are probably the item of choice for folks in this crowd, if possible. The 5, like the 3, has long been considered a benchmark in their class. While I would like to see the 5 on top, I'm just as happy to see other car makers making such high calibre rides. We all win with vehicle choices like this. I'd take any of the cars in the comparo and be happy with them. I'm more into the LPC's (Luxury Perfomance Coupes). -Paul
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Replying to: erickpl (Sep 25, 2006 10:57 am) That's a very fair statement. (Your message was a reply to drtravel, but I suspect it may have been intended for me, given my previous message.) I also believe that it's possible for BMW and Infiniti fans to be both passionate AND honest. Pete
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