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Re: Infiniti does comparison to BMW, but not the other way around [shermanl by lexusguy
Sep 23, 2006 (8:24 pm)
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Replying to: shermanl (Sep 23, 2006 3:52 pm)

The only thing that keeps bothering me (which I'll probably forget about after I buy it) is the gas mileage of the M.
 
With oil at around $61, thats less of an issue than it was a few months ago.
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Tire size 2005 A6 4.2 by kgary
Sep 24, 2006 (3:29 am)
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My 2005 A6 4.2 came with 245/40/18 tires, I am thinking of going with a 255/40/18 replacement tire. The OD on the OEM tire is 25.7, the OD on the replacement tire is 26.0. I am concerned that the larger tire may rub or cause a problem with the Quattro system. Does anyone have any experience with the larger tire size? Does it rub? Should I be concerned about the impact on the Quattro system? Can I stick with the OEM rims?
 
Kevin
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Re: Tire size 2005 A6 4.2 [kgary] by markcincinnati
Sep 24, 2006 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: kgary (Sep 24, 2006 3:29 am)

I believe you can go as large as 265 x 40 x 18.
 
255 would be a "perfect" plus zero and from what i can tell, requires nothing be done to the car iteself.
 
What do you think you will get out of the plus sizing?
 
This is not a trick question -- at least I don't intend it to be.
 
I live in SW Ohio and the wider the tires, typically, the poorer the winter experience (and I would personally go with UHP all seasons, which may not be your approach.)
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Re: Tire size 2005 A6 4.2 [markcincinnati] by kgary
Sep 24, 2006 (6:41 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 24, 2006 5:32 am)

Mark,
 
I have the Pirelli PZero Nero M & S tires on the car already. So I am in complete agreement on UHP tires for the car. I like the look of wider tires, but I don't want to go to a lower profile and risk getting a harsher ride. Do you know anyone who put 265/40/18s on the car?
 
Kevin
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C&D Comparo: M45 v. 550i v. E550 v. GS450h by jrock65
Sep 24, 2006 (7:31 am)
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Got this from somewhere else. My copy of C&D hasn't come in the mail yet.
 
"C&D November - M45 vs. 550i vs. E550 vs. GS450h
 
1. Infiniti M45 Sport
2. BMW 550i Sport
3. Mercedes-Benz E550
4. Lexus GS450h
 
The Infiniti had a one point advantage over the BMW overall. The BMW edged out the Infiniti by two points in the Fun-To-Drive category, but the Infiniti had a 5 point advantage in the Price category. The BMW cost almost $15,000 more than the Infiniti. The BMW was almost $71,000! The Infiniti also won the Got-To-Have-It category, edging out the BMW by one point."
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Re: Tire size 2005 A6 4.2 [kgary] by markcincinnati
Sep 24, 2006 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: kgary (Sep 24, 2006 6:41 am)

No but AVON Tech 550 A/S UHP are well discussed as a plus zero approach. They seem to be a bit noisier than the PZeros accoring to reviews on tire rack.
 
I am considering the PZero M+S -- any feedback? Treadwear?
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Re: C&D Comparo: M45 v. 550i v. E550 v. GS450h [jrock65] by dewey
Sep 24, 2006 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: jrock65 (Sep 24, 2006 7:31 am)

The BMW was almost $71,000! The Infiniti also won the Got-To-Have-It category, edging out the BMW by one point."
 
Fair enough. Price-wise BMW will lose out all the time against the competition, except maybe Benzes. The 'Fun to Drive" aspect of BMWs are valued more higher by some drivers who usually end up being BMW owners.

 
My BMW335i will be priced slightly above the competition. But IMO the BMW335i is the best value!
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Re: Tire size 2005 A6 4.2 [markcincinnati] by kgary
Sep 24, 2006 (2:58 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Sep 24, 2006 12:08 pm)

The PZero Nero M & S have been great tires. I would highly reccomend them as a replacement tire. I would estimate their treadlife at about 20,000-25,000 miles. Unfortunately, they do not come in 255/40/18. So I am thinking of the Avons. However, I think the 255s require an 8.5" rim and I am beginning to think that the Audi rims are only 8". If this turns out to be the case I may stick with the Pirellis.
 
Kevin
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Re: C&D Comparo: M45 v. 550i v. E550 v. GS450h [dewey] by pete_l_p
Sep 24, 2006 (6:27 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Sep 24, 2006 2:08 pm)

IMO the BMW335i is the best value!
 
Note that the M also won the C&D "Gotta have it" category, which is the closest category they have to " most desired car, independent of price."
 
The interesting thing IMO, is that the M wins, despite the fact these reviews tend to ignore two very important areas almost entirely.
 
1) Reliability. Look at consumer reports reliability surveys where the M far outshines the BMW and M-B. Also look at the Consumer reports Owner Satisfaction Survey, where the M wins with 92% of owners who would buy again, as compared to about 70% of 5-Series owners, and 62% of E-Series owners. Seems to me these are very big issues when it comes to overall value, yet not even considered in the C&D review. Don't you feel kind of foolish every time you have to bring this very high priced car into the shop. I know I do with my M-B.
 
2) Navigation and other electronics. As a serious user of Navigation (and a successfully retired software developer), I feel pretty clear about the fact that the M's navigation (including a wonderful voice command for destination street addresses) completely blows away the BMW and M-B systems, in so many ways. These reviews place far less weight on these systems than than their actual effect on most potential owners. (C&D IS an enthusiast rag after all. However PC magazine, Popular Mechanics and others also give the M luxury car of the year, coming from a very strong technology perspective) Look at the M's incredibly bright rear view monitor (even in the black of night) The lines showing your car's path, as you turn that steering wheel, are a total pleasure in every parking experience and every time you're in reverse. Again, given very short shrift in these reviews.
 
If you look at the total package: The "Gotta Have It" quality, reliability, great electronics, a fantastic performer and a great handling car to boot, it's hard to see how the M wouldn't be a much bigger winner, or how the BMW can be the better valued car.
 
My plan, before I bought my M, was to find the best car I could for less than $110K. I got the M not because it was the best car for the money, but because, from my perspective, it was the best car period. I'd really have preferred to pay more if meant getting a better car and getting some more prestige along with it. In the end, I had to go with what I thought was the best car, and after more than a year, I haven't been disappointed.
 
But to each their own.
 
Pete
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Re: C&D Comparo: M45 v. 550i v. E550 v. GS450h [jrock65] by rayainsw
Sep 25, 2006 (5:13 am)
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Replying to: jrock65 (Sep 24, 2006 7:31 am)

"1. Infiniti M45 Sport
2. BMW 550i Sport
3. Mercedes-Benz E550
4. Lexus GS450h "
 
Were they all automatics?
Since the M & E550 only come that way, I hope the BMW was also equipped with theirs...
Thanks,
- Ray
Also not yet received my copy of C+D....

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