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#8013 of 10338 Re: the [torque] problem [dhamilton] by sfcharlie

Aug 02, 2006 (11:06 pm)

Replying to: dhamilton (Aug 02, 2006 8:25 pm)
2005 Audi A6 3.2 quattro AT6 - 243 3250 rpm
2004 BMW 530i Sport - 214 3500 rpm
2005 Cadillac STS V6 - 252 3200 rpm
2005 Infiniti M35 - 270 4800 rpm
2005 Jaguar S-Type 3.0 - 216 4100 rpm
2005 Acura RL - 260 5000 rpm
 
2006 MB E-Class detail, just for comparison: torque of 350 Nm between 2400 and 5000 rpm
305 Newton metres of torque – 87 percent of the maximum – is available from 1500 rpm

#8014 of 10338 Re: the problem [dhamilton] by lexusguy

Aug 03, 2006 (12:47 am)

Replying to: dhamilton (Aug 02, 2006 8:25 pm)
"the problem with the current G [and I hope it isn't continued into the next model] is that the torque isn't in a very "user friendly" place in the power band. It is in my opinion very european [see autobahn] in it's application. To jump on the Shipo, Mark bandwagon "horsepower be damned, I want useable torque" and down low where all good things "hang"
 
I didnt notice that, at least not with an automatic G35. I found the power delivery to be very smooth from top to bottom, much unlike the Acura TL, which has no low-end torque and feels a bit sluggish off the line.

#8015 of 10338 Re: I hate hearing [dhamilton] by designman

Aug 03, 2006 (6:22 am)

Replying to: dhamilton (Aug 02, 2006 8:32 pm)
"I hate hearing stories about people owning a porsche and it being an A word. I just can't bring myself to use the full word being a Gentleman and all. I wonder if there is a special place in hell for people that chain up their dog in the yard their whole life, and people who drive a Porsche with that...well you know what I'm talking about."
 
And I don't care for stereotypes and innuendo. I wouldn't be hitchhiking onto the concept of a "gentleman" with that post.

#8016 of 10338 Re: I hate hearing [shipo] by designman

Aug 03, 2006 (6:24 am)

Replying to: shipo (Aug 02, 2006 9:10 pm)
"Of course its the "T" word with regards to a Porsche."
 
Pardon my ignorance. I assume you don't mean torque? Hmm.

#8017 of 10338 Re: I hate hearing [designman] by shipo

Aug 03, 2006 (6:32 am)

Replying to: designman (Aug 03, 2006 6:24 am)
"Pardon my ignorance. I assume you don't mean torque?"
 
Torque works, however, I was thinking Tiptronic.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

#8018 of 10338 Re: the problem [lexusguy] by sfcharlie

Aug 03, 2006 (7:16 am)

Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 03, 2006 12:47 am)
"with an automatic G35. I found the power delivery to be very smooth from top to bottom"
 
I find that with the V6 in my M35. From what I've read and from watching the tachomoter, my impression is that the car "reaches" up quickly into high rpm range to get that torque at low speeds. That is one way to achieve the effect we experience when driving the G or the M. Another way, which appears to draw more positive attention in articles I read on engines and drivetrains, is to build an engine that reaches into its peak torque range at lower rpms.

#8019 of 10338 Re: 2007 Infiniti G35 Sedan coming w/306 HP [pearl] by dewey

Aug 03, 2006 (7:47 am)

Replying to: pearl (Aug 02, 2006 7:31 pm)
Yes, it is interesting that given the HP wars, particularly involving the M vs the GS, that Nissan/Infiniti chose NOT to put the upgraded G VQ engine in the M.
 
Prediction: M sales are going to drop like a rock when the G is introduced. And the G will be a hot seller and compensate for the lost sales of the M. Unfortuantely the product-line of Infiniti is beginning to look scant. With upoming lacklustre sales of the M and hardly non-existent sales of the Q, the Infiniti brand will be carried mainly on the shoulders of the G.
 
If I was an Infiniti dealer I would protest and demand the the M be given an upgraded engine at the same time as the G. Ofcourse Infiniti's H.O. will not listen.

#8020 of 10338 Re: July LPS Sales... [designman] by rich545

Aug 03, 2006 (8:07 am)

Replying to: designman (Aug 02, 2006 4:42 pm)
The Tip in my Cayenne is great when shifting manually. It's just not so great when left in full auto. I was just surprised at the different 0-60 times for the Boxter with Tip though. It's the same with the Boxter S too. The Tip is about .8 seconds slower than manual 0-60. The 911 Carrera 4S cuts that difference in half, and the Turbo cuts it to .3 according to the website. With differences that small I could see a really good Tip driver making up for them. I just wonder why 0-60 times are so different for the Boxter and Cayman, but not the 911. Is it the increased power?

#8021 of 10338 Re: 2007 Infiniti G35 Sedan coming w/306 HP [dewey] by lexusguy

Aug 03, 2006 (8:33 am)

Replying to: dewey (Aug 03, 2006 7:47 am)
Prediction: M sales are going to drop like a rock when the G is introduced. And the G will be a hot seller and compensate for the lost sales of the M. Unfortuantely the product-line of Infiniti is beginning to look scant. With upoming lacklustre sales of the M and hardly non-existent sales of the Q, the Infiniti brand will be carried mainly on the shoulders of the G.
 
I dont think thats true. The IS350 has loads more power than the GS300, but it hasn't really impacted sales of the GS. You can already get more muscle from the G than the M35, via the six-speed. The G35's original engine upgrade coincided with its mid-cycle refresh. I'm sure that when it comes time for an updated M, the new engine will be on the list.

#8022 of 10338 Re: 2007 Infiniti G35 Sedan coming w/306 HP [lexusguy] by sfcharlie

Aug 03, 2006 (8:50 am)

Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 03, 2006 8:33 am)
Prediction: M sales are going to drop like a rock when the G is introduced.
 
Out-on-limb prediction. Sales of M were down in June and July, compared to last June and July (by 13.4% July to July) -- not sure when one hits "drop like a rock" percentage downturn point. On the other hand, M with new engine would be a year away, so if new G gets serious attention in showrooms, not sure why M sales would go up again, if competition is both external and internal.
 
Sales for Infiniti were down 18.1 percent with 10,548 units sold as compared with last July’s 13,395 units.

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