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#8001 of 10338 Re: July LPS Sales... [markcincinnati] by shipo

Aug 02, 2006 (11:23 am)

Replying to: markcincinnati (Aug 02, 2006 10:56 am)
Your post reminds me of a very similar conversation that I had with Boxster owner. He and I were working for the same company in Westchester County, NY at the time and spotted each other while crossing over from Rockland County on the Tappan Zee Bridge (which as some of you might know has a toll booth at its eastern terminus). When Mr. Boxster and I cleared the booth we each nailed it, and my lowly 1999 328i easily beat him to the Tarrytown exit (which was probably on the thin side of a quarter of a mile). I think I was as stunned as he was. Once in the parking lot he asked:
 
“How much Horsepower ya got?"
Boxster: 201 6000
Beemer: 193 5500
 
He said, "I don't get it, my car is probably lighter (it was) and it has more horsepower, how did you beat me?"
 
I responded, "Probably torque. How much?"
Boxster: 181 4500
Beemer: 206 3500
 
Then again, as he didn't even know how much torque his car had, we needed to walk over to the Boxster so he could pull out the manual. When we got there I spied a Tiptronic transmission lever between the front seats. Just to add insult to injury I then asked, "Hey, you want to drive the BMW?"
 
"Nah," he responded, "can't drive a stick."
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

#8002 of 10338 Re: July LPS Sales... [knowspinzone] by lexusguy

Aug 02, 2006 (11:45 am)

Replying to: knowspinzone (Aug 02, 2006 9:43 am)
Well maybe if Jag closes down, it'll be worth more than i paid for it someday, LOL!
 
Not unless its a Series 1 E-type.

#8003 of 10338 Re: July LPS Sales... [shipo] by designman

Aug 02, 2006 (2:20 pm)

Replying to: shipo (Aug 02, 2006 11:23 am)
"Nah," he responded, "can't drive a stick."
 
He can't drive Tip either. Should have beat you!
 
(Whew, TZ toll... not the best place to do that.)

#8004 of 10338 Re: July LPS Sales... [designman] by shipo

Aug 02, 2006 (2:51 pm)

Replying to: designman (Aug 02, 2006 2:20 pm)
He can't drive Tip either. Should have beat you!
 
Really? Why? If anything I would have thought it would have been a close race with the 328i edging the Boxter out.
 
True, the Boxter weighs in about 300 pounds less than the 328i (although its driver made up for some of that difference), however, the 3er has 14% more torque (even more at lower RPM ranges) and it didn't have a slush box to contend with.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

#8005 of 10338 Re: July LPS Sales... [shipo] by rich545

Aug 02, 2006 (3:53 pm)

Replying to: shipo (Aug 02, 2006 2:51 pm)
Well, it's interesting because were that race to happen with current models the Boxter has 240 hp 6400 rpm & 199 ft/lbs of torque at 4,700 rpm and weighs 2987 with tip. The 330i has 255 hp 6600 rpm & 220 ft/lbs of torque 2750 rpms and weighs 3417 lbs. So that's a 430 lb difference and the Boxter does 0-60 in 5.9 secs with manual, 6.8 with tip (doesn't say much for Porsche's tip if you ask me with such a difference). The 330i does 0-60 in 6.1 with manual, 6.3 with auto. So the Boxster now is slightly faster, but back when you raced one I'd say they're very close. If the tip was as much slower than the manual as it is today, I'd say your 328i with stick would beat it everytime. I wonder if he was actually using the tip though or if he was just in auto. I know that makes a huge difference in my Cayenne. I love it, but the auto trans. leaves a lot to be desired. My 545's was much smoother and was much better at selecting gears. The Cayenne goes into 6th gear at about 45 mph (way too early) and stays there even when the rpms are very low (we're talking about 1500 rpms before it downshifts). Plus it always starts out in 2nd gear.

#8006 of 10338 Re: July LPS Sales... [shipo] by designman

Aug 02, 2006 (4:36 pm)

Replying to: shipo (Aug 02, 2006 2:51 pm)
I read that as a 528i. So you are right, it should be close, but I still think with drivers of equal skills, the Boxster should win based on more horsepower with less weight, especially if you started the match from anything but a dead stop as the Boxster needs its revs. You can make an argument with transmission and gearing.
 
The Boxster is 390 lbs less.
Weight/torque ratio is identical at 15.77
Weight/hp ratio is 14.20 Boxster, 16.84 BMW 328i

#8007 of 10338 Re: July LPS Sales... [rich545] by designman

Aug 02, 2006 (4:42 pm)

Replying to: rich545 (Aug 02, 2006 3:53 pm)
I read somewhere (could have been Excellence) that some hot shot test driver at Porsche claims the Tip is a good performer when driven properly. Also the the new 911 turbo with Tip is rated faster than with the stick... different, modern design though.

#8008 of 10338 2007 Infiniti G35 Sedan coming w/306 HP by boiko

Aug 02, 2006 (5:43 pm)

The HP wars continue, even the G35 Sedan is going to be coming with 306 HP for 2007.
 
The HP arms race continues..

#8009 of 10338 Re: 2007 Infiniti G35 Sedan coming w/306 HP [boiko] by pearl

Aug 02, 2006 (7:31 pm)

Replying to: boiko (Aug 02, 2006 5:43 pm)
Yes, it is interesting that given the HP wars, particularly involving the M vs the GS, that Nissan/Infiniti chose NOT to put the upgraded G VQ engine in the M. Latter has 275HP vs. 306 in the "new" VQ in the G (over 80% new parts, variable valve timing on both intake an exhaust cams, etc), while a new GS 350 is likely out in the Fall with more power and MUCH better gas mileage. Infiniti blew this one in my humble opinion. Not addressing the gas mileage issue is a major blunder(no six speed auto, etc).

#8010 of 10338 the problem by dhamilton

Aug 02, 2006 (8:25 pm)

with the current G [and I hope it isn't continued into the next model] is that the torque isn't in a very "user friendly"
place in the power band. It is in my opinion very european [see autobahn] in it's application. To jump on the Shipo, Mark bandwagon "horsepower be damned, I want useable torque" and down low where all good things "hang"
 The 350z was the exact opposite. I heard tell a simple computer re-map/flash was the preferred elixir

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