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Replying to: merc1 (Jul 28, 2006 11:06 pm) Hmmm. . . Something makes me (word association) think Phaeton. . . . |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 28, 2006 4:28 pm) |
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The GT-R will will be a success independent of a Infiniti logo. With the exception of the dismay of Infiniti dealers I dont see a problem. Sport does not need to be intertwined with luxury. There is nothing wrong with a Honda logo on the more modest S2000. And there is nothing wrong with a Nissan logo on the not so modest GT-R. Otherwise a Chevrolet Corvette would have been discontinued many decades ago and be re-born as a Cadillac Corvette. The GT-R's success will be determined by its superlative performance and not its logo. The Phaeton is another story altogether. A Luxurious Phaeton needs to be backed up with a luxury logo. |
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Replying to: bw45sport (Jul 29, 2006 12:26 am) OK ... I was off on a hyperbolic tear ... your sensitivity has grounded me again, though. My point was not that I feel deprived of the opportunity to carry schematics of the engine and show them to people on the Amtrak to MIT. My point was that, whether you resonante with this or not, there is pleasure in the feel of certain engine/tranny combos. Sinply getting a dragster response is not the one that lights my fire. Also, the 12-year-oldness manifests itself not in owner's inability to have letters printed on car that read "latest technology; eat your heart out", but manifests itself in very high rpms being required to get to the engine's torque (you're at 3000 rpm crusing at 75 on the highway) which, in turn, means you're buying the kick-butt acceleration with 17 mpg for 275 HP, rather than having it built-in through contemporary engineering. There are 350 HP V8s that only gulp 17 mpg. And it's not the money. It's the overall sense of what (I realize as I drive the car) the drivetrain is doing with the gas to create the impressive dragstrip times. None of this, as has been said many times here, has any implication for anyone else for whom that car provides exactly what they love in a driving experience. I realize it's unusual for an owner of a car to be a negative voice about the car on one of these forums, but it's just a variation on people who have only test-driven a certain car and write volumes about how its soul compares to the soul of some other machine. On the M35 versus BMW 5-series forum, another voice popped up yesterday saying the same thing, just not going-off the way I did yesterday: "I went from a 2002 540 to an 06 M35x, and while the M is a very nice car, it doesn't come close the driving pleasure of the BMW. I will admit that perhaps I should have looked at the M45 sport, but unfortunately I didn't. I also got significantly better mileage with the V8 BMW than the V6 Infiniti. Oh well, it's only a 2 yr lease." And, no, I didn't pay someone to post that. |
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 29, 2006 7:33 am) |
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Jul 28, 2006 4:27 pm) Cdnpinhead, have you heard of the Tail of the Dragon in Tennessee and North Carolina (mostly Tennessee)? If not, you might want to put it at the top of your list. I drool at the thought of driving this road. http://bridger.us/mini/files/R&T_June_2006%20_TOTD.pdf http://www.tailofthedragon.com/
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Replying to: designman (Jul 29, 2006 9:24 am) Perhaps. What would've happened if the NSX had been the Honda NSX here, as it is in the rest of the world? Would anyone in the US buy a $90K+ Honda? At around $30K, I think the S2000 could work with either a Honda or an Acura badge on it. Asking $65-75K though for a Nissan could be a mistake in the states. This is the most badge concious automarket in the world. The Infiniti badge was created just for us. The rest of the world is happy with Nissan Skylines and Fugas. On the other hand, Americans know the Skyline GT-R best from Gran Turismo, as a Nissan. That worked for the WRX and Evo, and it could also work for the new GT-R.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 29, 2006 6:01 pm) |
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Replying to: sfcharlie (Jul 28, 2006 4:01 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 29, 2006 6:01 pm) Really? Larger dealer network, greater exposure and more brand recognition. If the production GT-R lives up to its potential, and is TRULY awesome and inspiring, people will gladly accept and pay for it as a Nissan, IMO. I agree with Dewey and Designman on this one. It's more about the CAR. TagMan |
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