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Re: Sudden Acceleration [david83] by qbrozen
Jul 15, 2006 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: david83 (Jul 15, 2006 7:46 am)

here's a tip for you. if anything like that should happen again (regardless of the car), throw it in neutral.
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Re: Sudden Acceleration [david83] by anthonyp
Jul 15, 2006 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: david83 (Jul 15, 2006 7:46 am)

If you drive using one foot on the break and the other on acelerator, sort of say in a tight situation, just having a slight pressure on the break will retard the acelerator...When you ease your foot off the break entirely the engine then acelerates to where you had the acelerator pushed to, which makes the car surge forward....I have had to really discipline myself and drive with one foot...For some reason if the car is stopped you can simultanesly hold the break and rev the engine....I hope this is some help although your description is a bit different and more serious sounding ...Tony
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [quemfala] by hpowders
Jul 15, 2006 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: quemfala (Jul 15, 2006 5:59 am)

Shouldn't matter. If the 5 series is as ugly and unreliable as the media make it out to be, people wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole regardless of how attractive the BMW leasing deal is.
They should all be buying/leasing the Lexus GS. NOT!
 
No matter how you spin it, the simple truth is more people looking for an LPS pick the 5 series.
The numbers say so.
Unless Porsche decides to confront the 5 head on, this superiority will continue ad infinitum, IMNSHO.
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [hpowders] by sfcharlie
Jul 15, 2006 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jul 15, 2006 5:32 pm)

I don't agree that what's happened is that the media consistently tells people not to buy the BNW 5-series, but the people override them and buy it anyway.
 
The media's assessment of the BMW 5-series new design actually has been mixed.
 
Automobile Magazine did what you claim "the media" does: "The BMW 5-series breaks the classic unified automotive form into a collection of fractured surfaces, and it's the only car in our memory that has inspired mention of a painting by Picasso. But, as in so many discussions of cubism, the word beauty never enters our conversation about this car."
 
But Motor Trend told got readers excited about the 530i with: "The fifth-generation BMW 5 Series, with its flame-cut flanks and take-no-prisoners suspension, hit the ground running in the 2004 model year. Here's a thoroughbred, the product of decades of setting the benchmark all other automaker's sport sedans aspire to. Just look at the stance, the way the body sits on the chassis, ready to pounce on any opportunity to show its stuff on a challenging stretch of road."
 
As for reliability ratings, I partially agree with you.
 
CR currently dismisses all German cars as unreliable. But in JDP's press release of their 2006 initial quality survey, they said: "Brands with the fewest defects and malfunctions include BMW, Chrysler, Hyundai, Lexus, Porsche and Toyota."
 
In so far, as consumers are ignoring CR, well maybe, but it's just as possible that many buyers who want German cars are not going to seriously consider Japanese cars, so they'll be influenced to buy a BMW by CR's comparisons among German cars, and there CR claims the BMW 5-series will be more reliable than the Audi A6 and the Mercedes E-series.
 
So, I think there's a fair amount of support in the media for people who want a German LPS to buy the one that has long been established in their minds as the best one to drive and now is routinely assessed as more reliable than other German LPS cars.
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Re: Sudden Acceleration [david83] by shipo
Jul 15, 2006 (8:28 pm)
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Replying to: david83 (Jul 15, 2006 7:46 am)

Leaving a shopping center last week after slightly accelerating, the thing took off full throttle! I found out, that the car will continue accelerating thru full braking!
 
Strong though the engine of the A8L may well be, it ain't no match for the brakes of the A8L. Said another way, if you were really braking, even if the engine was at full throttle, your car would have stopped rather quickly.
 
My bet is that you thought you had your foot on the brake when you were really mashing the throttle instead.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Sudden Acceleration [shipo] by tayl0rd
Jul 17, 2006 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jul 15, 2006 8:28 pm)

Agreed. There aren't any cars out there whose (stock) engine can overpower its brakes, unless the brakes are in need of service. And even then, they would have to be near a condition of literally failing to work at all.
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Bose audio system review in Stereophile by bfeng7
Jul 17, 2006 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 05, 2005 9:23 pm)

People who express satisfaction for Bose automotive systems sometimes use the disclaimer, "but I'm not an audiophile so I don't know if are really good." I personally perceive a high percentage of the anti-Bose folks as people who proclaim themselves to be audiophiles. The problem is that latter camp sometimes dismisses the Bose option without having heard the specific system under discussion.
 
To both camps, I can only say, "if you like it, it's good."
 
Some interesting reading for y'all.
http://stereophile.com/news/071706infiniti/
 
John Feng
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Re: Sudden Acceleration [david83] by pearl
Jul 17, 2006 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: david83 (Jul 15, 2006 7:46 am)

the brakes will ALWAYS beat the engine. After the idiotic "unintended acceleration" claims years ago that almost ended Audis existence in the U.S. Car and Driver and many other organizations tested the Audi 5000 mercilessly. They concluded that there were NO, repeat NO, circumstances in which the engine could overpower the brakes. They also concluded that the reason the cars were accelerating was that people had their foot on the gas and thought it was on the brake. I have no idea what caused the situation you described, but I seriously doubt that you had your foot off the gas and on the brakes and they could not stop the car.
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Re: Bose audio system review in Stereophile [bfeng7] by lexusguy
Jul 17, 2006 (3:12 pm)
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Replying to: bfeng7 (Jul 17, 2006 2:22 pm)

People who express satisfaction for Bose automotive systems sometimes use the disclaimer, "but I'm not an audiophile so I don't know if are really good." I personally perceive a high percentage of the anti-Bose folks as people who proclaim themselves to be audiophiles. The problem is that latter camp sometimes dismisses the Bose option without having heard the specific system under discussion.
 
As I've said in the past, car stereos is the one area where I think Bose has done some very good work, and it seems that the most recent Infiniti\Bose collabs are the best of the lot. The top level Infiniti M stereo is easily a match for Lexus\ML, Volvo\Dynaudio, or Acura\ELS, and it seems as if the system in the new G will be as good if not better.
 
The reason why Bose car audio can be so good is exactly the same reason that holds back the home products. Priorities. The Bose engineers working with Infiniti have the exact same goals as the Mark Levinson engineers. Make the system sound as good as it possibly can. You don't have to worry about making a cutesy system with plenty of WAF when you're making a car stereo.
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Re: Sudden Acceleration [pearl] by qbrozen
Jul 18, 2006 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: pearl (Jul 17, 2006 2:57 pm)

Don't worry, guys. Just let it die. He was obviously a troll.

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