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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: You may find this of note. . . [dewey] by hpowders
Jul 12, 2006 (3:44 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 12, 2006 12:42 pm)

My experience too is a statistical anomaly, having 3 trouble-free BMW's since 1993.
I'm glad there are 2 of us. That should be it.
One lunatic on another thread actually called me a liar-that it couldn't possibly be true!
 
Those damn surveys and the auto mags. have little to do with reality.
If you believe what you read: the 5 series is terribly ugly, iDrive is incredibly difficult and this vehicle has serious reliability issues. So this vehicle's sales should be dramatically shrinking.
Reality: the 5 series is the overwhelming leader in the LPS segment with sales annihilating the A6, GS and E Class.
 
I'll take reality every time!
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [hpowders] by dewey
Jul 12, 2006 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jul 12, 2006 3:44 pm)

We are two rarebirds indeed.
 
According to JD or CR we are both statistically classified as an endangered species doomed to the path of extinction.
 
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [hpowders] by james27
Jul 12, 2006 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jul 12, 2006 3:44 pm)

My numerous unscheduled stops to the dealer kept me from replacing my 98 A6 with a new one. Seals, radiator, water pump, suspension pieces worn out, and other things at less than 50K miles just ruined the long-term perspective of trying another one. Along with that, the sunroof just took up too much headroom. Yes, I know it is possible to buy one without, but when I looked, there were all of 3 in the entire country plus, most of the goodies can't be had without one. Obviously, my single experience with one car does not indicate a trend, but CR did indicate it was less reliable than others.
 
Can't say anything on newer ones, or even others from that year. The lack of sufficient headroom was the clincher. I just refuse to drive laying down, and then it would be either stretching forward for the steering wheel, or jamming my knees when lifting to hit the brake.
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [dewey] by hpowders
Jul 12, 2006 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 12, 2006 5:39 pm)

Apparently thousands of folks are thumbing their collective noses at JD and the auto mags and are making the Bangle 5 series one of the greatest success stories in automotive history.
 
Uhh...wonder what happened to the auto media's darling, the Infiniti M?
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [hpowders] by reality2
Jul 12, 2006 (7:28 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jul 12, 2006 3:44 pm)

I have the same experience. I have had nine Audis and they were all trouble-free. My current three are without question the best, absolutely no problems or drama. This is what I go by and not what someone thinks they can tell me is correct since I am the one actually experiencing the ownership. So much for surveys.
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [dewey] by calhon
Jul 12, 2006 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 12, 2006 5:39 pm)

According to JD or CR we are both statistically classified as an endangered species doomed to the path of extinction.
 
Well, neither the JD Power nor CR reliability data says that. On the contrary, the data says few problems is the normal experience with almost all recent models.
 
However, both organizations make a mountain out of a mole hill in order to generate revenue. CR is particularly misleading, because they generally provide only relative ratings, describe below average as synonymous with poor or bad, and use loaded symbols, etc.
 
The seemingly simple way the results are presented plays to the emotions and innumeracy of readers, who think they understand, when in fact they have jumped to completely wrong conclusions.
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [hpowders] by merc1
Jul 12, 2006 (8:12 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jul 12, 2006 3:44 pm)

I don't know if I'd call a 7K unit lead over the E-Class "overwhelming" or "annihilating".
 
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [hpowders] by lexusguy
Jul 12, 2006 (9:16 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Jul 12, 2006 6:15 pm)

Uhh...wonder what happened to the auto media's darling, the Infiniti M?
 
All things considered, the M is doing very well. Keep in mind that all of NNA is hugely down in the last few months, and thats going to hurt M sales, no matter how good it is. They never expected the M to be selling at the 5\E level. If it did, it would represent 60%+ of Infiniti's total sales.
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Re: You may find this of note. . . [reality2] by hpowders
Jul 13, 2006 (3:12 am)
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Replying to: reality2 (Jul 12, 2006 7:28 pm)

Good, because I'm thinking about the possibility of a Q7 somewhere down the road. Best looking SUV out there, IMO.

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