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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: JUNE SALES? [bartalk3] by merc1
Jul 06, 2006 (6:20 pm)
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BMW 5-Series: 5,199 (+24.3%)
MB E-class: 4,213 (+0.2%)
Cadillac STS: 2,565 (-31.0%)
Lexus GS: 2,191 (-33.9%)
Infiniti M35/45:
Audi A6: 1,748 (+10.5%)
Acura RL: 980 (-37.4%)
 
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Re: JUNE SALES? [merc1] by bartalk3
Jul 06, 2006 (9:35 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jul 06, 2006 6:20 pm)

Thanks, merc1. GS sales are sinking fast, probably in anticipation of the GS350 coming soon to a dealer near you. RL sales are collapsing, even though they're being discounted as much as $9,000 off sticker, with Acura offering dealers a $3,000 incentive. 5-Series sales are phenomenal (what accounts for that?).
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Re: JUNE SALES? [merc1] -- just adding Infiniti #s by sfcharlie
Jul 07, 2006 (3:08 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jul 06, 2006 6:20 pm)

BMW 5-Series: 5,199 (+24.3%)
MB E-class: 4,213 (+0.2%)
Cadillac STS: 2,565 (-31.0%)
Lexus GS: 2,191 (-33.9%)
Infiniti M35/45: 2,012 (-18.9%)
Audi A6: 1,748 (+10.5%)
Acura RL: 980 (-37.4%)
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Re: JUNE SALES? [bartalk3] by lexusguy
Jul 07, 2006 (5:41 am)
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Strangely, the GS seems to be dragging the M down with it. Or is Audi taking sales away from Infiniti? The A6 vs. M seems to be a very popular choice, on these boards at least.
 
The fact that Acura can't sell the RL even at $40K is a seriously problem, and makes it questionable as to whether a lower content\lower price RL will do anything to boost sales. How much lower can they go? The TL is $36K. A free RL with every tire rotation?
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Re: JUNE SALES? [bartalk3] by quemfala
Jul 07, 2006 (5:41 am)
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Haven't you heard? Our loony politicians would have us believe that there's a recession and nobody has any money! It's the underground economy fueling the sales. Cash deals! Get in on the action, buy a car! Especially a BMW, where "deals" don't exist.
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Re: JUNE SALES? [quemfala] by bartalk3
Jul 07, 2006 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: quemfala (Jul 07, 2006 5:41 am)

The Achilles heel of the M35/45 is gas mileage--very poor. That may account for some of the declining sales. Apparently the M35 engine isn't that efficient to begin with, and then they geared it way up for power so that at 60mph the engine is doing 2,500rpm (compared to 1,800-2,000)for most of the competition.
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Re: JUNE SALES? [quemfala] by calhon
Jul 07, 2006 (9:21 am)
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Politics aside, combined LPS sales decreased by about 10%.
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Re: JUNE SALES? [calhon] by markcincinnati
Jul 07, 2006 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: calhon (Jul 07, 2006 9:21 am)

Or:
 
German LPS sales UP
 
Everyone else's LPS sales DOWN.
 
What I am about to write is not my opinion -- you may argue with me, and I will attempt to take a counter position, but this does not exactly represent my thoughts.
 
Two people talking:
 
"How's it going?"
 
"Pretty good, how about with you?"
 
"Things are OK, but being the in commercial lending industry at this time, bonuses are down a bit, so I had to settle when I got my new car?"
 
"Settle? Settle on what. . .?"
 
"Well I've always wanted a BMW and probably would've even considered an Audi, but I settled for one of those Infiniti M's."
 
"Wow, that's too bad. . ."
 
"Tell me about it -- but you know, the Infiniti is a great car, well made, powerful and all the toys -- you should hear the sound system, it makes my home system sound tinny."
 
"Gee, sorry you couldn't get your Bimmer."
 
"Yea, me too -- next time."
 
This, of course is a made up conversation, but it is based on reality -- not exactly a widespread reality, since I can't claim to have heard this kind of conversation more than a couple of times. . . .
 
But, here in River City, "everyone" wants a Bimmer -- or so it seems.
 
When a person gets a new Lexus or Cadillac or Infiniti or Acura, the responses are always something "is that so" or "well I'll be darned, how do you like it."
 
If the person gets a new Bimmer, it is somehow like they were just misted with pheromones.
 
Passats may have the lowest ego emotions (or so says their commercials), but "everyone" lusts for the blue propeller on the hood.
 
The Americans and the Japanese cars are apparently the ones "we" settle on -- when we "can't get" (for whatever reason) a German model, usually a BMW, Mercedes or Audi (a distant third, there, to be sure, in this country.)
 
Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player.
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Re: JUNE SALES? [markcincinnati] by lexusguy
Jul 07, 2006 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jul 07, 2006 12:32 pm)

The Americans and the Japanese cars are apparently the ones "we" settle on -- when we "can't get" (for whatever reason) a German model, usually a BMW, Mercedes or Audi (a distant third, there, to be sure, in this country.)

In the LPS class, thats probably true. In the entry level class, I'm not so sure. The leaders are the TL and G35, and there are cheaper BMWs and Audis available. If German badge lust were everything, I think a lot more people would be buying stripper 325is and A4 2.0Ts, rather than "settling" on TLs and Gs.
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Re: JUNE SALES? [lexusguy] by markcincinnati
Jul 07, 2006 (4:16 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 07, 2006 1:31 pm)

Relax. . .nothing we say, certainly nothing I say is any cause for defensiveness.
 
"Oh yeah?"
 
"Yeah!"
 
 

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