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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: Who cares? [markcincinnati] by breld
Jul 06, 2006 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jul 06, 2006 4:25 am)

Hey Mark - I've really enjoyed reading your posts. I'm not quite as "odd" as you , but I also look forward to taking my TSX or my wife's MDX into the Acura dealer for service. I spend the time walking around the lot, checking out the vehicles, and usually chat it up with a couple of the salespeople for awhile.
 
I've been "lurking" in this forum for quite awhile, as I'm becoming more and more obsessed with replacing my car with a larger, AWD vehicle. My preference rotates pretty regularly between the A6, 530xi, RL, GS300(350) and M35x, though my top choices right now are the BMW and Infiniti.
 
Here's a thought I wanted to share: Many say you "can't go wrong" with any of these cars, that they are all such great cars that you'll enjoy whichever you choose. I agree with that. But by the same token, I've also accepted that I'll experience some level of regret once in awhile too. If I go with the M35, I'm confident I'd see a 530, or an A6, etc. pass by on the road and think perhaps I'd rather have that other car, and vice versa. For me, accepting that simply lessens any anxiety of feeling like "you made the wrong decision." It just speaks to how great the cars are, and appreciating what they have to offer.
 
So, having said all that, I'd say most of the decision in this segment comes down to simple emotion. What gets you most excited? Right now, the M35x and 530xi are it for me. The Infiniti seems like a real smart choice - lower cost, LT reliability likely better, etc. And when you're shelling out $50k, those are decent reasons. But, practicality aside, the BMW simply appeals to me more - it feels more like "me," to put it simply.
 
And, the idea of not giving up the manual trannie certainly is appealing.
 
OK, sorry for the long post. I'm back to lurking
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Re: german [lexusguy] by calhon
Jul 06, 2006 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 05, 2006 1:44 pm)

That's fair. The LS is an extremely reliable model. You could say the average number of problems/car is a nit.
 
So, what about some other model that's 100%(!) less reliable? Well, that's 2 nits and the difference between it and the LS is therefore ..... a nit.
 
It's an helpful perspective to have as you use the CR, or any other, reliability data. Keeps you from being overcome by fear and panic, regardless of how much emphasis you place on reliability.
 
End of sermon.
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Re: Who cares? [sfcharlie] by anthonyp
Jul 06, 2006 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: sfcharlie (Jul 06, 2006 3:50 am)

I to have had slight regret when I have made decisions where the financial side has overidden the passion side...I had Lexus product for years on end -because of the poor experiences I had with the American manufacturers and dealers..It was such a nice experience I just didn`t think of changing, and that may have been the right decisions....Lately I have had Mercedes and BMW and now Audi for myself...I personally haven`t had any more problems with these brands than the Lexus brand, and have enjoyed the change alot...I gues what I`m saying is we live and learn...Good luch with the next choice Tony
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JUNE SALES? by bartalk3
Jul 06, 2006 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: anthonyp (Jul 06, 2006 2:06 pm)

Can someone post June sales for LPS's?
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Re: JUNE SALES? [bartalk3] by merc1
Jul 06, 2006 (6:20 pm)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (Jul 06, 2006 5:59 pm)

BMW 5-Series: 5,199 (+24.3%)
MB E-class: 4,213 (+0.2%)
Cadillac STS: 2,565 (-31.0%)
Lexus GS: 2,191 (-33.9%)
Infiniti M35/45:
Audi A6: 1,748 (+10.5%)
Acura RL: 980 (-37.4%)
 
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Re: JUNE SALES? [merc1] by bartalk3
Jul 06, 2006 (9:35 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jul 06, 2006 6:20 pm)

Thanks, merc1. GS sales are sinking fast, probably in anticipation of the GS350 coming soon to a dealer near you. RL sales are collapsing, even though they're being discounted as much as $9,000 off sticker, with Acura offering dealers a $3,000 incentive. 5-Series sales are phenomenal (what accounts for that?).
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Re: JUNE SALES? [merc1] -- just adding Infiniti #s by sfcharlie
Jul 07, 2006 (3:08 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jul 06, 2006 6:20 pm)

BMW 5-Series: 5,199 (+24.3%)
MB E-class: 4,213 (+0.2%)
Cadillac STS: 2,565 (-31.0%)
Lexus GS: 2,191 (-33.9%)
Infiniti M35/45: 2,012 (-18.9%)
Audi A6: 1,748 (+10.5%)
Acura RL: 980 (-37.4%)
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Re: JUNE SALES? [bartalk3] by lexusguy
Jul 07, 2006 (5:41 am)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (Jul 06, 2006 9:35 pm)

Strangely, the GS seems to be dragging the M down with it. Or is Audi taking sales away from Infiniti? The A6 vs. M seems to be a very popular choice, on these boards at least.
 
The fact that Acura can't sell the RL even at $40K is a seriously problem, and makes it questionable as to whether a lower content\lower price RL will do anything to boost sales. How much lower can they go? The TL is $36K. A free RL with every tire rotation?
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Re: JUNE SALES? [bartalk3] by quemfala
Jul 07, 2006 (5:41 am)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (Jul 06, 2006 9:35 pm)

Haven't you heard? Our loony politicians would have us believe that there's a recession and nobody has any money! It's the underground economy fueling the sales. Cash deals! Get in on the action, buy a car! Especially a BMW, where "deals" don't exist.
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Re: JUNE SALES? [quemfala] by bartalk3
Jul 07, 2006 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: quemfala (Jul 07, 2006 5:41 am)

The Achilles heel of the M35/45 is gas mileage--very poor. That may account for some of the declining sales. Apparently the M35 engine isn't that efficient to begin with, and then they geared it way up for power so that at 60mph the engine is doing 2,500rpm (compared to 1,800-2,000)for most of the competition.

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