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#7684 of 10007 Re: german [cdnpinhead] by markcincinnati Jul 05, 2006 (4:23 am)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Jul 04, 2006 8:48 pm) We post the number of cars sold every month here (BTW they are out, as I'm sure most of us know already) -- so, why not post the number who participated in a survey "voluntarily" as a percentage of the total and then roll out the reliability numbers?   These days, with BMW [for instance] selling between 35-45,000 5 series, it would be amusing and maybe even significant to know what the issues were and then spit out a calculated percentage.   The best source of this data would be the manufacturer's themselves who certainly keep records (at least for 50,000 miles for most of these cars here in LPS land.)   Probably won't happen unless it would be to counter the vague and perhaps statistically insignificant rankings CR provides.   Of course, CR seems to be hell bent on making its results harder and harder to interpret in any meaningful way -- perhaps the best thing is to keep quiet if you are a mfgr.
#7685 of 10007 CR is interested in selling CR by sfcharlie Jul 05, 2006 (5:24 am)
Part of the problem (and emotion) associated with CR and JDP is what we consumers have brought to the relationship with them -- namely, the usual wish to find another individual or group whose agenda is nothing other than our best interests.    The prime directive -- from genes to magazines -- is survival and proliferation. CR does that by conveying "we have all the information you need to know exactly which car you should buy". Any method of gathering data or reporting it that subverts that agenda ain't gonna happen.
#7686 of 10007 Re: german [cdnpinhead] by lexusguy Jul 05, 2006 (5:48 am)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Jul 04, 2006 8:48 pm) Perhaps the reason CR doesn't share real data is because, for many "specialty" vehicles the sample is far too small to be statistically valid. As I've alluded to earlier, filling out the survey form is a "bring your lunch" event, and the predisposition of people who are willing to fill out the thing may not be toward "impractical" vehicles.   CR has a magic number of reponses below which they wont publish reliability data for a model\yr. It would be nice to know what that number is, what all of their magic numbers are, actually. I'm disappointed that the individual data dots don't actually mean anything anymore, that at least used to be the one area where you were somewhat clued in to what CR's stat machnines know. Replies to this message: calhon (Jul 05, 2006 10:51 am) lexusguy (Jul 05, 2006 1:44 pm) calhon (Jul 06, 2006 10:15 am)
#7687 of 10007 Autoweek Volvo S80 preview by lexusguy Jul 05, 2006 (6:03 am)
Not a huge amount that hasn't been said before, but they do explain why the "new" 3.2L I6 is so weak, its not a brand new engine as has been reported previously, just a displacement bump for the old car's 2.9.   http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060626/FREE/60616004/1009/V- EHICLEREVIEWS
#7688 of 10007 Audi June sales by sfcharlie Jul 05, 2006 (6:24 am)
Audi June Sales Highest In 2006 (from Car and Driver)   * Sales up 9.0 percent in June, best June since 2001 * First half sales up 6.8 percent over year ago * Q7 launch off to a strong start * A4 and A6 models continue robust sales pace   AUBURN HILLS, Mich., July 3 -- Audi of America, Inc., today reported 8,039 vehicle sales for the month of June, a 9.0 percent increase over year ago sales. This is the fourteenth monthly sales increase over the past 17 months, and a positive indication that Audi will meet its goal of record sales in 2006.   Sales in June were up or on par across the Audi line up. The all-new Q7 performance SUV tallied 1,310 sales in June, the first official month of sales for that vehicle. Sales of the A3 and A6 models were up significantly again, 17.9 percent and 10.5 percent, respectively.
#7689 of 10007 Re: german [lexusguy] by calhon Jul 05, 2006 (10:51 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 05, 2006 5:48 am) The minimum number of responses required for reporting is 100. What we should but don't get is the actual number of responses for each model/year.   I'm disappointed that the individual data dots don't actually mean anything anymore, that at least used to be the one area where you were somewhat clued in to what CR's stat machnines know.   The brand rankings are not very useful, you consider the predicted reliabilities largely useless information, and the problem area dots don't mean anything anymore. That's nearly all the CR reliability data.   So, what's left and how are you going to use it?   I'm not saying whether you should or shouldn't use CR - just interested in hearing your thoughts. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jul 05, 2006 1:44 pm) calhon (Jul 06, 2006 10:15 am)
#7690 of 10007 I'll say it. . . by markcincinnati Jul 05, 2006 (12:07 pm)
. . .you shouldn't use CR for cars if you "use and enjoy" cars because of their right brain attraction.   One, only one, I know, opinion.   I may be wrong, just not uncertain.
#7691 of 10007 Re: german [calhon] by lexusguy Jul 05, 2006 (1:44 pm)
Replying to: calhon (Jul 05, 2006 10:51 am) So, what's left and how are you going to use it?   Well, I drive an LS daily because of a number of reasons. My 10 years of Lexus ownership have been much more pleasant than the time I spent as a Mercedes owner. It's not just that the LS hasn't annoyed my like my old Benzes though, a Corolla could do that. It's a brilliant highway cruiser, which is exactly what I use it for.   My Jags, on the other hand, I've bought because they are great looking performance machines, and I've always had a thing for Jag GT convertibles. I still think the XK120\150s are the most gorgeous cars ever created. Jaguar usually does pretty terribly in CR ratings, and indeed my XJ-S in particular was not very reliable, but that didn't stop me from buying more Jag convertibles.   Reliability is important to me for my daily driver, so CR information is still somewhat useful for that. For my weekend toys, I could care less what CR says. Replies to this message: calhon (Jul 06, 2006 10:15 am)
#7692 of 10007 Infiniti June 2006 sales by sfcharlie Jul 05, 2006 (2:34 pm)
from hoovers.com   "Nissan North America Announces June Sales...   GARDENA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 3, 2006--Nissan North America, Inc. (Nasdaq:NSANY) (NNA) reports sales of 75,154 units in June, which is a decrease of 19.0 percent from the prior year. While NNA's Nissan Division posted a decrease of 18.9 percent over last year, the Murano had its best ever June and the Frontier posted a strong sales increase versus one year ago. The Infiniti Division posted a sales decline of 20.0 percent versus the prior year.   M35/45: June 2006--2,012; June 2005--2,480   -18.9% drop in sales from June last year   But Year-to-Date sales are up 38% to 13,128 in 2006 from 9,506 in first six months of 2005.
#7693 of 10007 Audi sales figures addendum by sfcharlie Jul 05, 2006 (2:47 pm)
Also from hoovers.com   A6 sales totals were 1,748 in June, 2006, up from 1,581 in June 2005   Increase of 10.5%   For first six months of 2006 sales of A6 were 9,384 as compared with 8,683 for first six months of 2005, an increase of 8.1%

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