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#7652 of 10006 Re: test sits [stickguy] by lexusguy Jun 29, 2006 (7:07 am)
Replying to: stickguy (Jun 29, 2006 6:08 am) Without driving them (but having read numerous reviews and road tests), I would pick the M35 hands down. Nicely loaded, great seats, roomy, looks sharp, and supposed to be the "sportiest" to drive.   The M is definitely my favorite of the bunch. That said, you definitely won't have to pay $50K for the RL. The dealers are giving them away at maybe $44K, just to get them off of the lot. Even still, the M is so much better, it's worth the extra money. Replies to this message: sfcharlie (Jun 29, 2006 6:30 pm) markcincinnati (Jun 30, 2006 4:53 am)
#7653 of 10006 Re: test sits [lexusguy] by sfcharlie Jun 29, 2006 (6:30 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 29, 2006 7:07 am) M35 is supposed to be the "sportiest" to drive.   Yes, it is supposed to be.
#7654 of 10006 Re: test sits [lexusguy] by markcincinnati Jun 30, 2006 (4:53 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 29, 2006 7:07 am) I have driven the Audi, BMW Mercedes, Infinity and Cadillac models that are considered to be in the LPS class.   These cars have many similarities, indeed depending upon their equipment levels even the Cadillac STS can be made to "feel" more competent than the BMW. The pecking order can be altered that is.   Price is an important factor when the cars are as close as these cars are to each other, especially at 9/10ths and under. The RL at $10,000 "lower" than the BMW or Audi, for instance, might be a better choice.   The M35X with its excellent suspension and 18" wheels and sticky tires (but all seasons, typically) is near the top of this class.   But a test drive will refine the word supposed to be the sportiest to drive.   Again depending upon equipment levels, the STS may totally take you by surprise, especially if it is equipped with the sport bits and magna ride.   Likewise the BMW at its base level and skinny 17" all seasons with an automatic is underwhelming.   The BMW with a 6speed manual and a couple of option boxes checked remains, IMHO, undefeated. Follow that selection with the 6spd auto-only equipped A6 SLine, then the M nipping at both of their wheels, so to speak, brings up third.   Argue, contradict and gimmie an "OH YEA?!?" -- after you have driven the Bimmer 530xi with a stick shift and 18" wheels and tires, the Sline A6 with the 19" wheels and tires (or even the 18's if that is all you can find to test) and the M35X with journey and technology packages.   Take them on the exact same test loop, take them each at least two times in a row on this loop, take them back to back if logistics permit a same day test.   If you then find the M is your "hands down" pick -- welcome to the club.   My guess is you'll pick the one that you like the looks of the most that has a price that is within your threshold of pain.   That is, you will be in a very rare club if you actually do buy the car that performs the best -- by what are often considered "performance" criteria by the folks who do this for a living at Automobile, Car and Driver and Road and Track, etc etc etc.   Listen, I have the Audi, "I shoulda got a BMW!" My only excuse was there was no stick shift AWD BMW in June 2005, so I went with the less expensive M35X until Audi made me a "deal I couldn't refuse" on the number 2 performer.   Of course most all of this is really subjective, no kidding.
#7655 of 10006 subjective? by stickguy Jun 30, 2006 (5:33 am)
really? Just kidding!   I tend to agree with your take on things. The ca is actually for my SIL, and one of the criteria is no German cars. She also isn't into 10/10th handling at the expense of ride, but does like something with tight steering and good road holding (she has an FX 35 now, so should feel comfy with the M35).   I personally have a soft spot for BMWs, but also hate overly complicated controls (must be a closet Ludite), so that idrive might drive me nuts. The Audi does sound like a nice package too. The Caddy I couldn't get into.   Actually, for me, I would prefer the next size down. I consider a G35 or 3 series to be plenty big for my needs.   Oh, and the M would be ruled out: no stick shift! Replies to this message: markcincinnati (Jun 30, 2006 6:31 am)
#7656 of 10006 Re: subjective? [stickguy] by markcincinnati Jun 30, 2006 (6:31 am)
Replying to: stickguy (Jun 30, 2006 5:33 am) Why no American or German cars?
#7657 of 10006 CHRYSLER EMPLOYEE DISC PLAN by jerrymcshane1 Jun 30, 2006 (6:57 am)
The employee discount for EVERYONE goes in effect Saturday. F/GM said they would NOT match this offer. My local Cadillac, Chevrolet, Buick dealer has so many vehicles on its lot that he's looking to rent some space next door. And you think he's not going to complain to GM about not matching Chrysler?
#7658 of 10006 german by stickguy Jun 30, 2006 (7:29 am)
personal reason, not anything related to the cars, but no German cars allowed (or DC now). The rest of Europe is fine, it's just the cars aren't!   Actually, from what I have read, the upcoming Volvo S80 could be a strong player, especially for people that are tired of the German-lead fascination with overly complex gizmos and controls. Swedish modern might just appeal to a few people! Replies to this message: lansdownemike (Jun 30, 2006 11:45 am) lexusguy (Jun 30, 2006 12:53 pm) lansdownemike (Jun 30, 2006 1:23 pm) calhon (Jul 02, 2006 3:34 pm) and 12 more...
#7659 of 10006 Re: german [stickguy] by lansdownemike Jun 30, 2006 (11:45 am)
Replying to: stickguy (Jun 30, 2006 7:29 am) I'm staying away from the Germans for the next round, especially as their reliability numbers, via Consumer Reports, are still pretty mediocre (although rising) and my experience with my 4 1/2 year old BMW X5 4.4i has been pretty terrible. I'm keeping the GS, RL, and M in mind, but I've been very impressed with the early word on the S80, including some recent driving tests in Europe. I suspect that next year we'll all be thinking seriously about the S80 as a fair competitor in the LPS arena. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jun 30, 2006 12:53 pm) lansdownemike (Jun 30, 2006 1:23 pm) calhon (Jul 02, 2006 3:34 pm) cdnpinhead (Jul 02, 2006 9:45 pm) markcincinnati (Jul 03, 2006 5:55 am) lexusguy (Jul 03, 2006 7:37 am) and 9 more...
#7660 of 10006 Re: german [lansdownemike] by lexusguy Jun 30, 2006 (12:53 pm)
Replying to: lansdownemike (Jun 30, 2006 11:45 am) I'm staying away from the Germans for the next round, especially as their reliability numbers, via Consumer Reports, are still pretty mediocre   Volvo's CR scores are no better than Mercedes, BMW, or Audi, so I wouldn't pick them if you're seriously concerned about reliability. In fact, the S40 has much worse scores for '05 than the 3 series, A4, and even the C class.   I'm sure the S80's seats are going to be fantastic, but I dont think the M or A6 have any reason to worry in terms of performance. Replies to this message: lansdownemike (Jun 30, 2006 1:23 pm) calhon (Jul 02, 2006 3:34 pm) cdnpinhead (Jul 02, 2006 9:45 pm) markcincinnati (Jul 03, 2006 5:55 am) lexusguy (Jul 03, 2006 7:37 am) calhon (Jul 04, 2006 12:12 pm) and 8 more...
#7661 of 10006 Re: german [lexusguy] by lansdownemike Jun 30, 2006 (1:23 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 30, 2006 12:53 pm) I've stayed away from Volvo's for a long time for that reason, but apparently they've gone to a much more reliable manufacturing process (hardware and software) with the new S80 to minimize defects. Agree entirely on the seats and performance. I would expect the Yamaha V8 with the 6-speed automatic to be very refined and have most adequate performance. I'm paying careful attention in the reviews to the handling dynamics, which is more important to me than 0-60 times.

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