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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#7544 of 10348 Re: [markcincinnati] Audi image [sfcharlie] [quemfala]
Jun 12, 2006 (9:03 am)
Mark ... I agree ... they were successful with me ... prior to the 2004 325i, I had a 1999 Passat. I think it was the first car I had with leather seats ... I easily slipped into "all BMWs are luxury cars" ... it took almost a year for me to let it into "my thick skull" (as my father would have said) that this was an updated version of the 2002 a neighbor in Colorado still owned in the mid 1970s. Rather Spartan. Neat. Simple. No luxury anywhere really ... always asking people in the back seat if they needed me to move my seat forward.
I think that experience was one reason I was so wowed by both the M35 and the A6.
#7545 of 10348 Buying without test driving
Jun 12, 2006 (1:02 pm)
Thankyou all who gave their valuable opinion. I test drove the RL and TL today. Chose an Acura dealer for service for my Accord and took the two cars for a ride one after the other. The RL was plush and quiet, but seemed just a little sluggish. The TL was peppy but did not cancel out the road noise to my liking. Maybe I'll test the GS 300, IS 350 and M35 and 45, the 530xi, the E350....or maybe I'll just sit on it for a while and keep reading the postings in this forum.....!
#7546 of 10348 Re: Perhaps I'm an anomaly. . .(rant) [cdnpinhead]
Jun 12, 2006 (2:41 pm)
I've had a similar opinion for years. People quote Consumer Reports surveys, Detroit drools over the J.D. Powers survey, and they're all based upon owner responses. Now, I've been in discussions with other guys (women, also) who support the wisdom of their purchases, regardless of the number of trips to the shop. It's the "ego" factor. No one wants to look like a dunce or an idiot for spending a lot of long green on an unreliable vehicle. So, they all say the car is "wonderful"! Even when faced with verifiable statistics that there might be a serious problem, their car just never has "that" problem.
You are absolutely correct, until the "real" numbers become available (probably never), all of the surveys are simply -- interesting!!!
But, one thing never changes -- Life is Better at the Beach!
#7547 of 10348 Re: Cognitive disonance [erfan]
Jun 12, 2006 (2:54 pm)
My experience, never, and I mean NEVER, own a car out of warranty. Then, be sure that the warranty provides you with equal transportation in the event the car needs to be in the shop. 5 years is not a long time to own a car. Normally, that's about the length of time that we have ours; 4 to 5 years, and 80 to 90 K miles. We currently own 2 vehicles, both with extended warranties. Paying for service on a car, especially a BMW, Mercedes, Audi -- would drive me to the poor house!
Many articles will tell you that it's not worth the cost of the extended warranty. Again, in my humble opinion, that's just not so! Figure it out; hourly rates, cost of parts, etc., etc. Peace of mind is worth something, as well. Anyway, good-luck! I don't think there is anything mechanical that might not break down.
#7548 of 10348 Re: Perhaps I'm an anomaly. . .(rant) [quemfala]
Jun 12, 2006 (3:01 pm)
I have had 3 BMW's since 1993.
No problems at all.
My 3 BMW's have indeed been wonderful.
I have never been asked to participate in any JD Power surveys.
I am far from alone in having trouble-free experiences.
You can believe what you want to believe.
Those surveys are a crock,IMO.
If BMW's had such terrible problems, why are sales going throught the roof?
People aren't stupid.
That's why they wouldn't touch Audis.
#7549 of 10348 Re: Cognitive disonance [quemfala]
Jun 12, 2006 (3:01 pm)
You are correct -- keeping any one of the LPS cars out of warranty is a risk. Keeping the German ones out of warranty would be, however, a way for y'all to understand the meaning of the words "breathtakinly expensive."
#7550 of 10348 Re: Perhaps I'm an anomaly. . .(rant) [quemfala]
Jun 12, 2006 (5:06 pm)
While cross-posting is discouraged, allow me to repeat the following, having to do with why Consumers Report data doesn't appear to correlate with what is often read on Edmunds boards:
I think it's important to consider the source of CR "data." Those who categorize cars the same way as CR does its core competencies (appliances & house paint) are generally NOT (that would be NOT) automobile enthusiasts.
I'll tolerate CR's appliance & paint ratings (we do subscribe), but have always (well, for the last 40 years) taken their opinions of things like audio equipment, cameras & other products for which professionals & enthusaists wouldn't be caught dead using the "check rated" item with well more than a grain of salt.
Here's a question CR might ask: How do you routinely transport yourself? a) walk, b) bicycle, c) mass transit, d) evil resource-sucking, carbon-dioxide-producing, non-recyclable-product-containing, single-person-carrying selfish product? If you're so bold as to choose d), then you'd by-god better be driving a Prius or Corolla -- Civics are OK, I think.
CR probably still makes a fortune selling their invoice pricing data (though I'd bet a lot less than they did before the internet), "how to buy a car" & "how not to get screwed" stuff to the car-buying (computer-averse) masses, so they've decided to nod now and again to the enthusiast or otherwise irresponsible car-driving masses.
However, their core supporters buy most things just as they'd buy appliances & house paint -- the truly anal also endure the half-hour or more it takes to fill out the annual survey book & don't (IMNHO) represent anyone who has passion about anything on earth but saving money in a PC fashion -- this cohort values green efficiency above all else.
Some of us are at the other end of that scale, where cars are concerned.
That's what I posted elsewhere, and to your "Life is Better at the Beach," I'd respond, Life is often better in the mountains.
Enjoy that beach.
#7551 of 10348 Re: Buying without test driving [erfan]
Jun 12, 2006 (6:43 pm)
The RL was plush and quiet, but seemed just a little sluggish. The TL was peppy but did not cancel out the road noise to my liking. Maybe I'll test the GS 300, IS 350 and M35 and 45, the 530xi, the E350....or maybe I'll just sit on it for a while and keep reading the postings in this forum.....!
I got a similar impression driving the RL. It doesn't accelerate, especially from a standstill, nearly as fast as its 290hp would suggest.
Couple of comments to make about your other choices. If you're interested in something faster than the RL, the GS300 AWD is probably not going to satisfy you. Weren't you looking for an AWD car? The IS350 and M45 are both RWD only. The IS250 AWD is pretty slow, and its also a very small car.. I'm not sure how important rear seat room is to you, but the IS basically doesn't have any.
If you're genuinely interested in an entry-lux car like the TL or IS, a G35x could be a good choice. It actually has room for adults in the back, and with the new G about to hit, I'm sure you could get a very sweet deal on an '06. Then of course there's always the 330xi, A4 3.2, and C-class 4matic to consider.
#7552 of 10348 Re: Buying without test driving [lexusguy]
Jun 13, 2006 (2:24 am)
Back seat room is important to me. I wonder if you have any experience driving a RWD in one of the northern states in winter. My house has a slight uphill drive which can be a little treacherous with snow for the FWD Accord. I do not like the G35's shape and if a new model is about to hit the market, I would rather wait. Don't you think the 330 and A4 have the same backseat problem as the IS?
#7553 of 10348 Re: Buying without test driving [erfan]
Jun 13, 2006 (3:57 am)
The 5x's and A6q's have better back seats -- especially of the two the A6. The M35X, too has a real back seat.
The new Gx from Infiniti if it follows the trend, will be either bigger or better packaged -- or both. Knowing Infiniti it will have AT LEAST the 280HP engine, which I can attest is quite potent.
Mercedes upcoming turbo diesel 4Matics (if you indeed can wait) still would be right up there, at least for evaluation purposes.
I don't know a lot of folks with Mercedes -- the ones I do have the diesel versions and some of them are well beyond 150,000 miles with little more than routine servicing.
The Energy act of 2005 provides the buyers of one of these clean diesels with a tax credit similar to the hybrid's too.
If you can wait.