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10338 messages, Last post on May 01, 2013 at 3:12 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum.What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#7232 of 10338 Re: April 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans [drtravel] by lexusguy
May 02, 2006 (8:29 pm)
Replying to: drtravel (May 02, 2006 1:54 pm)
Another interesting thing is that if you look on eBay, there are loads of barely used RLs and GS300s and 430s at huge discounts. In stark contrast to that, there are maybe 2 or 3 of the new Ms on eBay at any one time, and they dont have the same heavy discounts. I dont think Acura will be able to beat Audi in sales again, at least not until they come out with the lower-tech, low price version of the car. The only real success they had was when Infiniti and Lexus were non-competitors in 2005. The RL will never enjoy the class leading sales that the TL does.
If the next Q was going to be a '07 model, wouldnt there be at least some info on the car by now? Wouldn't it have been at the NYAS along with the next G? I haven't seen anything on the new Q, no specs, no CG guesstimates, nothing. That doesnt sound like a car that is only a few months away.
#7234 of 10338 Re: April 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans [drtravel] by merc1
May 03, 2006 (1:21 am)
Replying to: drtravel (May 02, 2006 1:54 pm)
Don't worry BMW fans. The 5-series has still outsold the E by 40% YTD. Will likey return to #1 next month. If you do it will be short lived. When that facelifted E lands in July it will be all over for the 5-Series for the year, I'm predicting. I have a harmless bet with Dewey about this, you want in..lol???
M
#7235 of 10338 Re: April 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans [jrock65] by merc1
May 03, 2006 (4:01 am)
Replying to: jrock65 (May 02, 2006 10:26 am)
I forget who coined the phrase but the "curse of the GS" seems to have started for Lexus already. I'm kinda surprised to see it dropping at a good rate already. M
#7236 of 10338 Re: April 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans [merc1] by habitat1
May 03, 2006 (6:09 am)
Replying to: merc1 (May 03, 2006 1:21 am)
If you do it will be short lived. When that facelifted E lands in July it will be all over for the 5-Series for the year, I'm predicting. I have a harmless bet with Dewey about this, you want in..lol?? I'll take a piece of that action.
I may be personalizing too much, but when I consider what my next sedan might be, the BMW 5-series is still the "driver's choice". A facelift of the E-class won't help win me over. A couple of AMG engineers taking a long enough break from their quest to produce a 1,000+ horsepower E77 to focus on a sportier chassis, better steering and, most of all, short throw 6-speed for an E500 model would do the trick. But I'm not turning red holding my breath.
There appears to be a sea of choices for someone that wants a "nice" driving, powerful luxury sedan like an A6, M35/45, E350/500, RL, GS, Jaguar, etc. But if you are inclined to go for a 550i 6-speed like I would be, there are NO other choices. I'd take a 530i 6-speed sport long before I'd take anybody else's V8.
So, what's the wager?
#7237 of 10338 GS by erickpl
May 03, 2006 (6:15 am)
My wife and I looked at the GS. Just something about it didn't feel right to us. It is a great car, but just not what she was wanting. We're seeing them everywhere, and she didn't want a car that everybody else had. Thank goodness she didn't go with the RX330 or 400h.-Paul
#7238 of 10338 Re: April 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans [merc1] by hpowders
May 03, 2006 (6:49 am)
Replying to: merc1 (May 03, 2006 4:01 am)
I can't see anyone in his right mind paying a premium for a dog like the GS when so many better choices are out there. The GS has has very little interior room, limited head room, uncomfortable seats, very little trunk space, a ridiculously placed open-close panel containing necessary controls, fussy brakes, turn it with one pinky steering, cannot perform with its peers as demonstrated in comparo after comparo, and given all that, sells at a ridiculous premium.
The name Lexus can take a vehicle just so far.
It's about time Lexus humanely puts this vehicle to sleep.
#7239 of 10338 Re: April 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans [hpowders] by erickpl
May 03, 2006 (6:56 am)
Replying to: hpowders (May 03, 2006 6:49 am)
[QUOTE] I can't see anyone in his right mind paying a premium for a dog like the GS when so many better choices are out there.
The GS has has very little interior room, uncomfortable seats, very little trunk space, a ridiculously placed open-close panel containing necessary controls, cannot perform with its peers and sells at a ridiculous premium.
[/QUOTE]
Perhaps that is what my wife didn't like about it.
-Paul
- hpowders (May 03, 2006 7:06 am)
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#7240 of 10338 Re: April 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans [erickpl] by hpowders
May 03, 2006 (7:06 am)
Replying to: erickpl (May 03, 2006 6:56 am)
I drove the GS 300 and the 430 and I really felt uncomfortable-I was trying to force myself to like something I couldn't. I got a great lease offer on the 430-but I couldn't go through with it. After driving the 545, the choice became rather easy.
I got a better leasing deal on the BMW than I got on the already good offer on the GS 430.
No compromises with the BMW. Everything just right.
Still happy after 9 months.
- 2001gs430 (May 03, 2006 11:15 am)
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#7241 of 10338 Re: April 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans [mariner7] by jrock65
May 03, 2006 (7:15 am)
Replying to: mariner7 (May 02, 2006 4:11 pm)
"according to WSJ, the average transaction price for an M is higher than GS, even though GS has the higher MSRP." mariner,
Do you have a link to this? What were the respective prices for each?
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