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Replying to: dewey (Apr 05, 2006 1:33 pm) Only a small portion of the graph has to do with "driver assist", by which I am assuming they mean safety devices. I also assume that "telematics" is geek-speak for on-star and similar communications, as Cadillac and Chevy score very well. The weighting logic in the graph is also somewhat fuzzy. TRG Graph Taking only "Driver assist", it appears that BMW, Infiniti, MB, and then Lexus are in descending order. Edit: Come to think of it, "Driver assist" could also include some non-safety items as push-button start and memory seats. I'd rather see a graph showing weighting of relative automotive technology.
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Replying to: rich545 (Apr 05, 2006 5:14 am) Maybe you are not interested by MB or just not considering them. I respect your view, naturally. Congrats for your Cayenne. not a failed car. I can't believe however you don't know the E350/500 Estate. Does it mean they are not imported in N/A either? http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_webs- ite/en/home_mpc/passenger_cars/home/products/new_cars/e-class_estate.html this is just the Estate version of the E-class. If I were to buy a E class, I would only consider its estate version. the rear boot space is cavernous. the V8 5 Liter, altough not the most up to date (5,4 L should follow soon I guess) would still be my priority choice. If Estates are not imported to the US, or only with weak Engines, this is a very big mistakes the germans do IMHO. This is the key differentiator with the japanese which estate offer is really poor/inexistant in the LPS/ELLPS segment (is the subaru Legacy 3.0 estate imported in the US? this would be the ONLY japanese contender. Pls correct me if one has further information)
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Replying to: vchiu (Apr 05, 2006 6:29 pm) According to the MB-USA web site, the following Wagons are available: E350 Wagon (RWD): $53,075 (base MSRP) E350 Wagon (AWD): $55,575 (base MSRP) -- Called the E350 4Matic Wagon E500 Wagon (AWD): $64,075 (base MSRP) -- Called the E500 4Matic Wagon Best Regards, Shipo
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 05, 2006 10:10 am) I don't know what Acura is to do. 50K is too much for the RL to a lot of people I guess. I suspect that come re-design time there will be a new RWD platform that will support both the TL and RL come 2009-10. Yes Audi's status is withing a hair of MB/BMW to most in Europe and even higher according to some. You see they take the whole racing thing a lot more seriously than we do it seems. Audi has become the darling of the European, especially German auto industry due to their historic racing victories over the last 5-6 years, so they tell me on other boards. M |
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 05, 2006 6:39 pm)
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Dateline AudiUSA and all the ships at sea: "Audi sold more than 226,700 vehicles worldwide in the first quarter – 16 percent more than last year (194,970)*. More than 93,600 vehicles were sold in March, an increase of around 10 percent on the same month of last year (85,389). These figures represent the best March and the best first quarter in the company’s history. Among the models with the highest growth rates worldwide are the Audi A3 (up 22 percent to approximately 65,400 vehicles), the Audi A6 (up 49 percent to 59,500 vehicles) and the Audi A8 (up 29 percent to 6,100 units). Sales of the Audi A4 increased by around 3 percent to 82,300 vehicles. 6,400 A4 Cabriolet models were sold, an increase of 6 percent. Around 3,300 Audi Q7 models were handed over to customers in the first three weeks following its launch in Central Europe. In some of [our fastest growing] markets we are now selling as many models in a single quarter as we did a few years ago in an entire year. And the potential of our brand is far from being exhausted.” Add this to the statements this morning that 40% of real estate transactions (at the personal level) last year were for SECOND houses and we see a picture of some substantial affluence. The LPS market (if you're selling) would appear to be the place to be. Jus' livin' the dream, eh? 
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Replying to: docnukem (Apr 05, 2006 3:33 pm) I'm curious as to their definition of "telematics" and what devices this category includes. Looking at their chart, both Audi and Infiniti show no entries (blue bar) for "telematics" 
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Replying to: docnukem (Apr 05, 2006 3:33 pm) Digital Entertainment and Head Unit I have enough of that technology in my basement, I dont need it in my car. Telematics Useless, I memorize my maps before driving off. Driver Assist I learned driving when I was 16, I dont need an electronic parent to assist me. Phone no problems using my current cell phone in my car or outside my car. IMO all the above listed TRG items reduces whatever enjoyment there is in driving. Drivetrain and chassis technologies are the only innovations that I find worthy and as you had correctly pointed such technologies are not included in the TRG Index.
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 05, 2006 5:31 am) Now BMW and Mercedes-Benz will be suing each other for naming infringement! Even though I am an Audi fan, I was very impressed with the E350 4Matic sedan the other day. I think that the E sedan is better than the A6 sedan, but the A6 Avant is by far the coolest wagon in its class. Just look at the rear lights!
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Replying to: esf (Apr 06, 2006 5:44 pm) M |
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