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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 04, 2006 8:38 pm) Oh c'mom. Luck? Did you say luck? BMW earned it fair and square! I am willing to make a bet with you that the 5 series will trounce the E class for many years to come. Despite that I like the idea of owning a diesel MB E wagon as our future family hauler.(but first MB has to re-skin and re-engineer the current E model in 2009)
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Replying to: rich545 (Apr 05, 2006 5:14 am) To each their own but if BMW offered the 550 touring or even a 330 touring that car would be in my garage right now. I find it quite pathetic that BMW only offers here underpowered 325xi and 530xi tourings. Also what miffs me is the fact that your are forced to buy AWD. I would prefer a RWD 5 series Touring.
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 05, 2006 4:14 am) Yep. Elsewhere, Europe comes to mind, the Germans seem to be closer to each other than here in NA. Well actually I think the A6 runs the show in Europe in terms of sales. M
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 05, 2006 5:28 am) BMW earned it fair and square! I am willing to make a bet with you that the 5 series will trounce the E class for many years to come. Yeah I said luck. The 5-Series really came to the market the right year, right after the E and before the Japanese onslaught on the segment. Plus the E had to deal with the CLS to some degree so yeah I say luck, not that the 5 isn't a great car dewey. I just meant that it traditionally doesn't outsell the E-Class. That comment was really for my friend who loves to tout 5-Series sales all the time.  Though I'll take you up on that bet. No way Mercedes is going to give up the sales crown that easy, though I'll be more confident after I see the facelifted model. M
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Let's see if the E-Class closes the gap even more over the next several months. Should prove interesting. |
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 05, 2006 6:03 am) I read a blurb (as opposed to blog) by the "editors" of Autospies.com -- they seem quite high on Audis over BMW's for this "15 minutes of fame." Makes me wonder why Audi has fought to so hard with Acura for last place for the A6 vs the RL. In this regard, however, I think the RL "won" and the A6 actually finished up in next to last place. What really seemed remarkable was that Audis seem to be more expensive in Germany than here in the US and they had a very strong year "over there" despite what appears to be a price disadvantage. Frankly, I'd be plenty pleased with a 530xi stick shift or with my current A6 3.2 automatic -- in an even world, the Bimmer would probably win "today." Based on the configurator, the A6 above a certain engine size only comes with the tiptronic. Wow, I thought the Germans resisted automatics even more than I. Live and learn. The next gen of ALL of these LPS cars brings to my mind "you ain't seen nuttin' yet."
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 05, 2006 6:07 am) It's a bet. A gentlemen's bet. No money or duels involved. |
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BMW Techiest Car Company Topic: Telematics According to Telematics Research Group (TRG), BMW and Mercedes-Benz offer the most advanced technology features in their vehicles. Not surprisingly, the TRG ratings show that vehicle manufacturers that tend to sell luxury vehicles are including more safety and entertainment features than economy car maker Hyundai, which ranked last. However, Lincoln, and Volvo's appearance along with Ford at the bottom was a bit of a surprise. Dodge and Toyota, and Chevy, which have vehicles at a wide variety of price ranges all were in the middle of the pack link title
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 05, 2006 1:33 pm) Only a small portion of the graph has to do with "driver assist", by which I am assuming they mean safety devices. I also assume that "telematics" is geek-speak for on-star and similar communications, as Cadillac and Chevy score very well. The weighting logic in the graph is also somewhat fuzzy. TRG Graph Taking only "Driver assist", it appears that BMW, Infiniti, MB, and then Lexus are in descending order. Edit: Come to think of it, "Driver assist" could also include some non-safety items as push-button start and memory seats. I'd rather see a graph showing weighting of relative automotive technology.
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Replying to: rich545 (Apr 05, 2006 5:14 am) Maybe you are not interested by MB or just not considering them. I respect your view, naturally. Congrats for your Cayenne. not a failed car. I can't believe however you don't know the E350/500 Estate. Does it mean they are not imported in N/A either? http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_webs- ite/en/home_mpc/passenger_cars/home/products/new_cars/e-class_estate.html this is just the Estate version of the E-class. If I were to buy a E class, I would only consider its estate version. the rear boot space is cavernous. the V8 5 Liter, altough not the most up to date (5,4 L should follow soon I guess) would still be my priority choice. If Estates are not imported to the US, or only with weak Engines, this is a very big mistakes the germans do IMHO. This is the key differentiator with the japanese which estate offer is really poor/inexistant in the LPS/ELLPS segment (is the subaru Legacy 3.0 estate imported in the US? this would be the ONLY japanese contender. Pls correct me if one has further information)
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