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Re: Goodbye LPS! [rich545] by tayl0rd
Apr 05, 2006 (4:40 am)
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Replying to: rich545 (Apr 04, 2006 2:12 pm)

And you just put new tires on your car! Isn't that how it always happens? You put new tires on your car then two weeks later, you trade it.
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Re: Goodbye LPS! [vchiu] by rich545
Apr 05, 2006 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: vchiu (Apr 04, 2006 7:13 pm)

We can't get the 550 Touring here yet, and I'm not much of a station wagon guy to tell you the truth. I've never heard of the E500 Estate. Is it a station wagon or SUV (or sedan)? Anyway, I kind of like the idea of having a Carmon Red Cayenne which is more rare than black or silver for sure. In fact, any Cayenne is rare compared to the competition.
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Re: Goodbye LPS! [lexusguy] by rich545
Apr 05, 2006 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 05, 2006 4:23 am)

I definitely like it more now than I did, but I also liked the simplicity of the Cayenne's interior. I'm sure the nav system in the FX is better. To my eyes though, the Cayenne looks like a 911 in SUV form which ain't a bad thing!
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Re: Goodbye LPS! [erickpl] by rich545
Apr 05, 2006 (5:21 am)
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Replying to: erickpl (Apr 05, 2006 4:32 am)

Thanks Erik! I drove the V6 too and from a power standpoint I too was unimpressed, but from a handling standpoint I was very impressed. It was the first Cayenne we took out, and I was amazed at how it cornered. I actually got nervous a few times while the salesman was driving around turns at seemingly impossible speeds for an SUV. I got a decent deal, but as is typical my 545 didn't net as much as I had hoped for. Thought about selling it privately, but then you have to pay tax on the full purchase price of the Cayenne which didn't seem worth it.
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [merc1] by dewey
Apr 05, 2006 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 04, 2006 8:38 pm)

The LPS part is only temporary. BMW got lucky in 2005. The revised E I'm betting will change this back to the way it has been for years.
 
Oh c'mom.
 
Luck? Did you say luck?
 
BMW earned it fair and square! I am willing to make a bet with you that the 5 series will trounce the E class for many years to come.
 
Despite that I like the idea of owning a diesel MB E wagon as our future family hauler.(but first MB has to re-skin and re-engineer the current E model in 2009)
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Re: Goodbye LPS! [rich545] by dewey
Apr 05, 2006 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: rich545 (Apr 05, 2006 5:14 am)

First and foremost congratualtions for your new Cayenne.
 
To each their own but if BMW offered the 550 touring or even a 330 touring that car would be in my garage right now.
 
I find it quite pathetic that BMW only offers here underpowered 325xi and 530xi tourings. Also what miffs me is the fact that your are forced to buy AWD. I would prefer a RWD 5 series Touring.
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [markcincinnati] by merc1
Apr 05, 2006 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 05, 2006 4:14 am)

We are speaking of North America with respect to BMW dominating LPS sales, yes?
 
Yep.
 
Elsewhere, Europe comes to mind, the Germans seem to be closer to each other than here in NA.
 
Well actually I think the A6 runs the show in Europe in terms of sales.
 
M
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [dewey] by merc1
Apr 05, 2006 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 05, 2006 5:28 am)

Luck? Did you say luck?
  
BMW earned it fair and square! I am willing to make a bet with you that the 5 series will trounce the E class for many years to come.

 
Yeah I said luck. The 5-Series really came to the market the right year, right after the E and before the Japanese onslaught on the segment. Plus the E had to deal with the CLS to some degree so yeah I say luck, not that the 5 isn't a great car dewey. I just meant that it traditionally doesn't outsell the E-Class. That comment was really for my friend who loves to tout 5-Series sales all the time.
 
Though I'll take you up on that bet. No way Mercedes is going to give up the sales crown that easy, though I'll be more confident after I see the facelifted model.
 
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Well... by hpowders
Apr 05, 2006 (7:29 am)
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Let's see if the E-Class closes the gap even more over the next several months.
Should prove interesting.
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Re: MB Grows and grows and grows [merc1] by markcincinnati
Apr 05, 2006 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Apr 05, 2006 6:03 am)

My German friends tell me that Audi and BMW have for a few years run neck and neck with Audi nosing ahead of BMW recently, but as we all know that could turn on a new model intro in a heartbeat.
 
I read a blurb (as opposed to blog) by the "editors" of Autospies.com -- they seem quite high on Audis over BMW's for this "15 minutes of fame."
 
Makes me wonder why Audi has fought to so hard with Acura for last place for the A6 vs the RL.
 
In this regard, however, I think the RL "won" and the A6 actually finished up in next to last place.
 
What really seemed remarkable was that Audis seem to be more expensive in Germany than here in the US and they had a very strong year "over there" despite what appears to be a price disadvantage.
 
Frankly, I'd be plenty pleased with a 530xi stick shift or with my current A6 3.2 automatic -- in an even world, the Bimmer would probably win "today."
 
Based on the configurator, the A6 above a certain engine size only comes with the tiptronic. Wow, I thought the Germans resisted automatics even more than I.
 
Live and learn.
 
The next gen of ALL of these LPS cars brings to my mind "you ain't seen nuttin' yet."

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