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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: What the affluent buy in China [bartalk3] by vchiu
Mar 29, 2006 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (Mar 29, 2006 2:28 pm)

> big automotive status symbol in China is a Buick!
 
I realy don't have this feeling here (I am in Shenzhen close to HK. Buick sell well because they offer the more bang for the buck. You can even buy a 4Cyl 2.0L Buick Regal for a cheap price (well I mean given the context). Of course, performance wise, we strayed to a galaxy far, far away from our LPS current subject.
 
In China, there is very little market for LPS. LS (at low price) is the successful one!
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BMW's non-bold and non-ingenious strategy by dewey
Mar 31, 2006 (6:54 am)
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GERMANY: BMW’s Panke considers gap in premium model range
31 March 2006| Source: just-auto.com editorial team

 
BMW chairman Helmut Panke has told German car magazine ‘auto motor und sport’ that he sees room for new models positioned between the BMW 7-series and the Rolls-Royce Phantom, reported dpa-AFX news agency.
 
Yawn, yawn, yawn.
 
So will these new pricier models have the same V12 engines as the BMW760? Will these new pricier models be sold at a super hefty premium above the BMW760? Will these new models have more complex and problem-prone electronic features than the current 7 series? You bet they will!
 
Jaguar, Audi, Lexus, MB and the rest of the herd are all doing the same thing as BMW. Hitting an already saturated market with new pricier models(what an ingenious and bold strategy, indeed).
 
I think BMW should focus their Euros on non-herd like activities like increasing R &D on steam engines sooner than later. Such distinct innovations throughout their product-line(1 series and above) will sustain the prestige of BMW far better than just introducing another luxury model with features that are similar to other HELM models.
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Re: BMW's non-bold and non-ingenious strategy [dewey] by lexusguy
Mar 31, 2006 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Mar 31, 2006 6:54 am)

I think the problem is that the success of the Continental GT caught everyone by surprise. BMW doesnt currently have anything to compete with the Conti-GT and the Spur, and they want in. I'm sure M-B will respond with something like an S75 AMG, packing 1400hp "just cause they can".
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Re: Pointless??? [footie] by esf
Apr 01, 2006 (9:47 pm)
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Replying to: footie (Oct 15, 2004 3:10 pm)

...for the Camry, Solara, Sienna, Avalon, ES330, and RX330.
 
I had no idea the Avalon was on the same platform as my RX!
 
I always thought the GS was on a stretched (and sportier) version of the Avalon platform, due to their similar size.
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Re: BMW's non-bold and non-ingenious strategy [lexusguy] by esf
Apr 01, 2006 (9:49 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 31, 2006 9:31 am)

LOL!
 
This is what deteriorates the AMG product line: too many products.
 
They really should limit the AMG's to sedans and roadsters/coupes. Wagons, "Sports Tourers", and SUVs do not need 800,000,000hp like Mercedes-Benz has made many wealthy Americans believe.
 
Anyone up for a 2008 $120,000 R65 AMG?
 
Thought so.
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Re: Pointless??? [esf] by lexusguy
Apr 01, 2006 (10:53 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Apr 01, 2006 9:47 pm)

"I always thought the GS was on a stretched (and sportier) version of the Avalon platform, due to their similar size."
 
The Avalon and GS are similar size, but there are some pretty big differences between them, the biggest of which is that one is FE\FWD, and the other is FE\RWD. I dont know of any current architecture from any company that is adaptable to both. The suspensions are also different, the Avalon uses Mac struts in front and dual-link independent Mac struts in the back, while the Lexus uses independent double-wishbones in front, and has an independent, multi-link setup in the rear.
 
The IS, GS, and LS dont share anything with any Toyotas on sale in the states.
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Re: Pointless??? [lexusguy] by esf
Apr 02, 2006 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 01, 2006 10:53 pm)

Thank you for setting that straight.
 
This is akin to people thinking that all Audis are on Volkswagen platforms. The only models that are on VW platforms are the lower-end cars:
 
A3, A4, TT.
(TT is not necessarily low-end, it's just not large)
 
All of these cars are on the VW Golf/Jetta platform, along with a few Skodas, and a SEAT.
 
Cars that aren't on Volkswagen platforms are the European A2, upcoming A5, A6, A8, R8 supercar, Q7.
 
Yes, the Q7 shares a platform with the Toureg and Cayenne. But it's a stretched version, thereby making it slightly different.
 
Also, no, the 2008 Audi R8 is not a VW-derivitave- it is based off of Audi's Lamborghini Gallardo platform.
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March 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans: by jrock65
Apr 03, 2006 (11:54 am)
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March 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans:
 
5 = 5,265
E = 3,884
M = 2,629
GS = 2,483
STS = 2,217
A6 = 1,699
RL = 1,117
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Re: March 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans: [jrock65] by lexusguy
Apr 03, 2006 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: jrock65 (Apr 03, 2006 11:54 am)

Victory for Infiniti! After the almost dead heat last month, I figured that the M would soon beat the GS. Good for them, they've got the better car, and it looks like the buyers are starting to figure that out.
 
I dont see the A6 losing to the RL again, at least not until Acura starts gutting most of the electronics out and gets the price down to $40K.
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Re: March 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans: [lexusguy] by markcincinnati
Apr 03, 2006 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 03, 2006 12:11 pm)

This looks pretty good overall for everyone -- but Acura.
 
Might be time to buy one if you are in the market.

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