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What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan


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Re: BMW....not for the vertically challenged :) [ghstudio] by rayng
Mar 28, 2006 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: ghstudio (Mar 28, 2006 7:07 am)

Drive the M35 with technology package. I think you'll love the steering, stance, and poise of this car. This is is a comfortable, sporty, and fun car. The seat belts, seats, and steering wheel are all adjustable. At 5'0, your wife will find that reaching for the various controls are much easier because the controls located between driver and passenger bulges outward (double wave front dash), thereby reducing the need to lean forward.
 
If you were to consider an Acura, either move up to an RL or wait for the freshened E midyear.
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Re: What the affluent buy in China [dewey] by rayng
Mar 28, 2006 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Mar 28, 2006 4:20 am)

As a Chinese guy who works with Chinese from China, many of us prefer Mercedes. At least that's what our wives, girlfriends, mistresses ask for.
 
In Hong Kong, limos are rare because the streets are so congested and narrow that it would be nearly impossible to make a right hand turn in a stretched limo.
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Re: What the affluent buy in China [rayng] by vchiu
Mar 29, 2006 (3:30 am)
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Replying to: rayng (Mar 28, 2006 3:03 pm)

If those luxury people carrier are so successful in China, it is because they're aren't as expensive as imported Luxury Sedan
 
Buying a well engined 7 or S- class as new means an easy 150K USD in China. Guess why people rather prefer 30-40K USD people carrier and luxurily equipped?
 
Buick even dare to offer the GL8 minivan with a 2,5L / 150 HP. You won't find any mention of the weight anywhere because they must be too ashamed of it. Must be a true 2200Kg/4500 Lbs! I let everyone guess how it performs with 7 guys onboard.
  
Back to the LPS with China. BMW is subcontracting their 3 and 5 assembly with Zhonghua, so their 530 is a bit cheaper than if fully imported. I see quite a few in my area. Nothing with stronger Engine, because most Chinese buyer care about the badge, the look and the cabin trim. Driving is secondary. A 550 would cost nearly as much as a base 730 so the 730 will be much more looked for
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Re: What the affluent buy in China [vchiu] by bartalk3
Mar 29, 2006 (2:28 pm)
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Replying to: vchiu (Mar 29, 2006 3:30 am)

According to a recent article in "Automotive News," a big automotive status symbol in China is a Buick! That goes back decades, perhaps even to the 1920s or 1930s when GM and the U.S. industry was supreme and rich Westerners drove Buicks.
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Re: What the affluent buy in China [bartalk3] by vchiu
Mar 29, 2006 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: bartalk3 (Mar 29, 2006 2:28 pm)

> big automotive status symbol in China is a Buick!
 
I realy don't have this feeling here (I am in Shenzhen close to HK. Buick sell well because they offer the more bang for the buck. You can even buy a 4Cyl 2.0L Buick Regal for a cheap price (well I mean given the context). Of course, performance wise, we strayed to a galaxy far, far away from our LPS current subject.
 
In China, there is very little market for LPS. LS (at low price) is the successful one!
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BMW's non-bold and non-ingenious strategy by dewey
Mar 31, 2006 (6:54 am)
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GERMANY: BMW’s Panke considers gap in premium model range
31 March 2006| Source: just-auto.com editorial team

 
BMW chairman Helmut Panke has told German car magazine ‘auto motor und sport’ that he sees room for new models positioned between the BMW 7-series and the Rolls-Royce Phantom, reported dpa-AFX news agency.
 
Yawn, yawn, yawn.
 
So will these new pricier models have the same V12 engines as the BMW760? Will these new pricier models be sold at a super hefty premium above the BMW760? Will these new models have more complex and problem-prone electronic features than the current 7 series? You bet they will!
 
Jaguar, Audi, Lexus, MB and the rest of the herd are all doing the same thing as BMW. Hitting an already saturated market with new pricier models(what an ingenious and bold strategy, indeed).
 
I think BMW should focus their Euros on non-herd like activities like increasing R &D on steam engines sooner than later. Such distinct innovations throughout their product-line(1 series and above) will sustain the prestige of BMW far better than just introducing another luxury model with features that are similar to other HELM models.
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Re: BMW's non-bold and non-ingenious strategy [dewey] by lexusguy
Mar 31, 2006 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Mar 31, 2006 6:54 am)

I think the problem is that the success of the Continental GT caught everyone by surprise. BMW doesnt currently have anything to compete with the Conti-GT and the Spur, and they want in. I'm sure M-B will respond with something like an S75 AMG, packing 1400hp "just cause they can".
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Re: Pointless??? [footie] by esf
Apr 01, 2006 (9:47 pm)
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Replying to: footie (Oct 15, 2004 3:10 pm)

...for the Camry, Solara, Sienna, Avalon, ES330, and RX330.
 
I had no idea the Avalon was on the same platform as my RX!
 
I always thought the GS was on a stretched (and sportier) version of the Avalon platform, due to their similar size.
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Re: BMW's non-bold and non-ingenious strategy [lexusguy] by esf
Apr 01, 2006 (9:49 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 31, 2006 9:31 am)

LOL!
 
This is what deteriorates the AMG product line: too many products.
 
They really should limit the AMG's to sedans and roadsters/coupes. Wagons, "Sports Tourers", and SUVs do not need 800,000,000hp like Mercedes-Benz has made many wealthy Americans believe.
 
Anyone up for a 2008 $120,000 R65 AMG?
 
Thought so.
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Re: Pointless??? [esf] by lexusguy
Apr 01, 2006 (10:53 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Apr 01, 2006 9:47 pm)

"I always thought the GS was on a stretched (and sportier) version of the Avalon platform, due to their similar size."
 
The Avalon and GS are similar size, but there are some pretty big differences between them, the biggest of which is that one is FE\FWD, and the other is FE\RWD. I dont know of any current architecture from any company that is adaptable to both. The suspensions are also different, the Avalon uses Mac struts in front and dual-link independent Mac struts in the back, while the Lexus uses independent double-wishbones in front, and has an independent, multi-link setup in the rear.
 
The IS, GS, and LS dont share anything with any Toyotas on sale in the states.

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