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In China the affluent are most attracted to a vehicle that is not manufactured by Audi, BMW, MB, Lexus or Infiniti. In fact their number one choice is not even a LPS but a Buick minivan. Forget limousines. These days, the hot vehicle for China's business elite is a Buick minivan. Known here as the GL8, the General Motors Corp. automobile was designed to ferry families around U.S. suburbs. But in China, a revamped model with leather seats, flat television screens and a remote-controlled sound system is being used to coddle executives as they battle the traffic in the country's big cities. Chinese buyers who can afford vehicles like the LaCrosse and GL8 tend to let their chauffeurs do the driving. One of GM's biggest assets is the surprising strength of the Buick name in China. The brand was a status symbol back in prewar Shanghai, when Buicks were the ride of choice for the city's wealthy traders and industrialists. The last emperor of China bought two of them in 1924, and they became the first automobiles to enter the Forbidden City. WSJ.com
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 27, 2006 9:42 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 27, 2006 4:01 pm) On a $50K+ car, she should not have to wear one of those aftermarket devices that pull the seatbelt down. The old style 530 had a sliding mount on the door that was coupled to the seat position automatically....even that's gone. We found no seating problems on the Lexus, Acura or Infinity and our Graphite/Wheat M35 will be waiting when our BMW lease is up.
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 27, 2006 5:49 pm) My "navigator" can get herself lost on the way to work. :-/ Like yours, she too loves to keep me company by sleeping for all but the last ten or fifteen miles. You guys are lucky! My "navigator" forces herself to stay awake so she can harrass me about my speed the whole way!
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| I wonder if this is the next challenge/niche for car companies? | |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Mar 28, 2006 5:24 am) |
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Mar 28, 2006 9:31 am) Only in small numbers in the LPS and HELM segment. In the near future such technology for mainstream vehicles is a distant dream. There is the price premium for a powerful battery and hybrid technology. Plus there is the price premium for a diesel engine . Plus there is the problem of finding fuel at a nearby station. There may be no need to have a hybrid tutbodiesel since hybrids make turbos redundant. This all adds up to a hefty price tag and inconvenience that only an experimental LPS buyer would be willing to tolerate. |
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Replying to: dewey (Mar 28, 2006 9:41 am) I don't know enough about turbo diesel engines. How does the hybrid make the turbo redundant? I would think that the early kick from an electric hybrid motor would offset the lag during turbo spool-up. Of course, I have only had one turbo (gas) car in my life, and the lag wasn't that bad. Are modern diesels that different regarding lag?
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Replying to: dewey (Mar 28, 2006 9:41 am) Anyway, it must've been 1993 or 1994 that Audi had what appeared to be an A4 Avant (that was the size of the car and the look of the car) it was a TD engine with electric motors for the around town part of the journey. The talk was of a car that was 100% electric but that could seamlessly power up the ICE (diesel in this case) to transfer from battery power to fossil fuel power above certain speeds where diesel mileage could be used for greatest advantage. Diesel fuel and diesel vehicles in the US (of the passenger car variety) struggled for years in some Cadillacs and Oldsmobiles, although some Mercedes Benz cars of the 80's (with diesels) would routinely go 200,000 miles and sip diesel fuel. They were dogs however. One of my buddies picked up a diesel Jetta (1979 vintage?) and we filled it up in Cincinnati and with one additional fill up, as I recall, drove it to Boyne Mountain snow skiing with four of us and our gear in the car. Talk about the little engine that could! Now, we've come to diesels winning Sebring and powering Audi A8L's and achieving 40MPGs in a lux barge. The governor of Montana, as unlikely a VW spokesperson as one could imagine (a Democrat governor in a "Red" state) bought a new Jetta and is powering in with 100% Montana bio-diesel. All we need is a tiny bit cleaner fuel and diesel engines the likes of that can be created by Audi and Mercedes (and probably BMW) -- and we have made a significant dent in our fuel consumption. The LPS cars, "ought" to be the proving grounds for such clean, powerful and economical engines. Who knows if they will be. Audi NOW claims the new Q7 will offer diesel motivation and the tongues are wagging that this may foretell of a wider importation of diesels across the Audi product line providing both strong "S" class performance capabilities and 40% better economy using fuel that TODAY is still a few pennies less per gallon that the Premium swill most of these LPS car demand. Be still my heart. OK, I'm over it. Seems too logical, too easy almost -- we'll probably just make a gazillion batteries to power a gajillion gas/electric hybrids. . .er, "because we can?" |
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