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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#6607 of 10348 Re: February 2006 Sales – Midsize Luxury Sedans: [brightness04]
Mar 03, 2006 (7:55 pm)
Luxury Performance Sedans
What is this discussion about? Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Lexus GS 300, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
Our hosts have allowed a fairly wide latitude here on this forum -- and I think rightly so. What I was attempting to clarify without being "brusk" was a fairly commonly accepted classification of cars we discuss herein.
The comments I made were appropriate to this thread -- for I know what would certainly happen if we started to include BMW's 3's, Audi's other A's (4's and 8's) and Mercedes C's or S class models.
A temporary diversion seems to be not likely to get an edmund's finger shaken at us. Were we to elect to chat up the sub-LPS or super-LPS class cars, we would be directed to other forums.
Broadly speaking the 5 class of Bimmers are discussed as full fledged members of the LPS class. Audis A6's and perhaps the upcoming S6 will fit, too. Perhaps the new S6 with the V10 will no longer qualify and there will be a BMW M5 and Audi S6 (or will it require an RS 6?) board then which might be dubbed, RLPS cars for "Real" LPS cars.
At this point you will probably get very little buy in of a Lexus ES or Acura TL or Cadillac CTS as an LPS car.
Moreover, the M3 or S4 which can be optioned with lots of lux stuff just doesn't fit here in the current categorization.
I did not make these "rules" -- I am not the "categorizer" -- I attempt (somewhat) to live within the guidelines for LPS cars as we have apparently agreed to.
BMW's 5's, all of 'em, count, at this juncture. If you are not a fan of the 525, I can only suggest, as did my dealer, to take a nice long test drive of a manual shift 525 and 525xi and see if you don't see the justification for calling them full members with all the rights and privileges due to an LPS club member.
Mar 03, 2006 (8:17 pm)
Here is what I would suggest as a seriously nice car for you:
An Audi A4 3.2 Sline 6 speed manual transmission with Premium, Cold, Technology packages and upgraded systems and literally all the options on the check sheet.
The BMW 330xi too would be a stong contender, but would not be able to be had with a sport suspension package.
The A6 has pushbutton start, too, if you must have this.
Gee, with someone else buying the car, and with that kind of price range -- put the cars up on the wall and throw a dart. You will not be let down.
I'd go for the manual transmission version of the 5 if you can't see yourself in a "lesser" A4 3.2 Sline.
The interior of the A6 does, IMHO, trump the Bimmer though.
#6609 of 10348 Argument for RL Sales
Mar 03, 2006 (8:22 pm)
Someone on the RL board suggested that the low sales of the RL is misleading because other makes combine a number of models in one category. The 5 outsells the RL by a wide margin, but the 5 includes several different cars: the 525i, 530i, 525xi (?), 530xi (am I right here?), the M5, etc, whereas the RL is only one car.
What do you think of that argument? I think there's a fallacy there.
#6610 of 10348 Re: ok [gregisgod13]
Mar 03, 2006 (8:44 pm)
I am a bit disappointed by some answers you got that did not address your basic information need. As you are considering a 5-Serie, this is the right place you are supposed to be in and you are fully entitled to get the car your father offers to pay for.
Both A6 and 525i are good cars with reasonable performance. Audi are known for having excellent cabin trimming quality, whereas BMW are a step behind. A6 being a FWD and 5-serie being RWD, both cars hold the road very well, but I suggest you have those models test driven before you make any decision.
Whereas others may criticize your father for putting such an amount for a first car, I rather consider that this is a testimony that you father trusts you deserve to get a nice car and hold it well. This is a great opportunity and you made the right move to ask others for their view.
If you really wish to get some exclusivity, the A6 sells much less than the BMW so you are less likely to have friends driving identical model.
IMHO, the A6 would be closer to your need because of its high quality interior and elegant outside profile. If you are looking for space inside you could even consider the estate version.
have you contemplated the Jaguar S-Type? This is a pretty
nice looking car that would offer even more exclusivity than the previoulsy mentioned brands.
If money is not a big deal and you want something nearly as rare as a maserati, you could even check this model out
which is a nice piece of Italian Design. A bit smaller than a 5 or an A6, but a true head-turner
Keep us informed about your decision.
Mar 03, 2006 (9:08 pm)
I am a bit disappointed that you called the A6 a front wheel drive car. I am a bit disappointed that you think a Maserati could be had within his 60k limit.
In summation, i'm a bit disappointed
Mar 03, 2006 (9:15 pm)
yea i like the a6 with s line alot. id have to say the downsides o getting a bmw is the to simple interior. and the fact that everyone has one. so the final decision is audi a6 over bmw 5 series???
Mar 03, 2006 (9:23 pm)
oh yea of little patiance. If you want a car with tech goodies you should check out the Acura RL. But please don't do anything until you have driven them all.
#6614 of 10348 Re: ok [gregisgod13]
Mar 03, 2006 (9:34 pm)
You should actually drive one of these vehicles before dad writes the check. I'm frankly rather surprised that someone aged 15 would have any interest in this class of car. These cars belong in executive row, not parked at a high school.
Shouldnt you be interested in the new Shelby 'Stang? Or a Z? Or S2000, Boxster, Elise, etc? Save the space for the kids and the ability to wirelessly sync with your Treo when you have kids and a Treo. If you can afford a 5 or A6 for your first car, I dont think insurance premiums are going to be a problem.
#6615 of 10348 Re: ok [dhamilton]
Mar 03, 2006 (10:53 pm)
> am a bit disappointed that you called the A6 a front wheel drive car.
Sorry to disappoint you but the A6 is basically that. That some models are available as Quattro as an option or exclusively on bigger engines does not change the basic architecture of this car. Most A6 sold in Europe are FWD only anyway.
Some 5-series are available as 4WD. Why aren't you disappointed that I call the 5 a RWD then?
>I am a bit disappointed that you think a Maserati could be had within his 60k limit.
I never claimed this, although this is may possible in the 2nd hand market. I just claimed that Alfa-romeo has maybe the same level of exclusivity in the US because I guess Alfa don't sell many more than Maserati and maybe less. I welcome any figure contradicting my view
> In summation, i'm a bit disappointed
Well we both have same feeling even though the reasons are not the same.
#6616 of 10348 Re: ok [lexusguy]
Mar 03, 2006 (11:01 pm)
> I'm frankly rather surprised that someone aged 15 would have any interest in this class of car.
I was interested by this class of cars at about his age, quite some time ago though. Even bigger: the S-class was even one of my favorite.
>These cars belong in executive row, not parked at a high school.
This is a refreshing change from all those cars that we easily label as being for young drivers. Why should he be compelled to share the same tastes as the majority?
Maybe he plans to take some friends in and considers rear leg space as valuable? Let us let him just share his ideas.