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You are in the Sedans
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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#6541 of 10348 Re: a6 s line [gregisgod13]
Mar 02, 2006 (2:49 pm)
Much as I want to reply 100% in the affirmative -- I think the best and most appropriate answer is "it all depends."
The SLine package is a true sports suspension, performance wheel and tire upgrade PLUS some shiny and pretty bits and perhaps some possibly usable air dam kinda do hickeys.
But, if you do not see the need for AWD, certainly the BMW also can be had with a real sports package as can the Infiniti. Apparently the Lexus and Acura don't offer the performance suspension pieces from the factory.
Mercedes of course, through the high zoot high buck AMG variants certainly offer high perf, but again only in 2WD.
Cadillac isn't part of this discussion but suffice it to say there are performance option groups for the STS that seem to be real, not simply cosmetic.
If you like the looks of the SLine, rest assured that the package does improve performance and some say makes the ride too stiff, some say nonsense to that.
I miss the sport set up personally, since I just went with the $1,000 optional wheels and tires instead of the $1,250 wheels, tires and suspension bits (that are from the SLine, but don't include the trim bits or the RS6 wheels.)
Best? Some folks are first and foremost concerned with reliability and no matter how much I brag about the fit, finish and so far so good quality/reliability of my 15,000 mile old 2005 A6, it will not count at all for some folks and only a little for other folks.
Having had 28 Audis, I can say this one is the best so far -- but maybe at 20,000 miles the thing will blow up.
The BMW outsells all the others and outsells the Audi by about 300%.
The Acura RL has had its detractors, but the reviews of the car from a driving perspective have been almost universally very good.
All that, just to end where I started: "It all depends."
The Infiniti M35X was an awfully tempting car back in May or June of 2005.
The 530xi because it alone can be had with a 6 speed manual is perhaps the only truly sporting intentioned car of the lot. Yet the SLine does more than add decoration.
Drive it like you live.
#6542 of 10348 Re: I Dunno... [hpowders]
Mar 02, 2006 (2:50 pm)
Sure prooff of a Japanese bias:
When the new M35 was reviewed, reliability was predicted as excellent.
How can they assume this with a completely new model?
Also the Honda Accord Hybrid with new untested for the long-term technology was predicted as excellent-even more reliable then the Accord V6.
Now how the heck would they know that?
To say CR has no Japanese bias borders on the absurd.
I think that the "long-term reliability" is the key... Everyone here defending Japanese cars is talking about surveys of customers. With a relatively new (or brand new!) model, there's no way to know long-term reliability... yet they still get an excellent score. Even with relatively new technology in the Accord Hybrid, it gets a higher rating than even the V6? Something is surely wacky here....
#6543 of 10348 Re: I Dunno... [bdr127]
Mar 02, 2006 (2:54 pm)
It's a no-brainer to me.
#6544 of 10348 Re: I Dunno... [hpowders]
Mar 02, 2006 (2:57 pm)
I think they predict the reliability of a new model based on their overall past experience with the Manufacturer's product line. It's not brain surgery.
#6545 of 10348 Re: I Dunno... [moxie]
Mar 02, 2006 (3:02 pm)
No it's not brain surgery. It's just dishonest and shows CR to be hypocritical-as it violates one of their credos-thou shalt not predict reliability for a new model of vehicle.
They seem to have no trouble in throwing what they profess to stand for out the window when it comes to unestablished Japanese vehicles.
Mar 02, 2006 (3:06 pm)
CR takes the fun out of cars, if you asked me -- which you didn't.
Now did you see their rating on the new Sears Kenmore Dishwashers, though. Now that's compelling. Wash times, number of cycles and hush a bye mode.
Be still my heart.
We be talking about $50,000 cars here -- I would imagine that we place a high premium on a lot of subjective and emotional issues pertaining to LPS cars first and foremost.
Reliability records are fine -- but they appeal (to me) not at all to the right brain.
Buying these cars is not Mr. Spock logical it is illogical, it is Dr. McCoy or Mr. Scott.
I am certain CR would pick the Borg while I'm on the Star Trek tangent.
CR has its place. I still maintain I would use this here board far more heavily than CR to make my choice.
I credit y'all with getting me to test drive the Infiniti M and then moving on to putting money down on one. None of us way back then could've had any info on the reliability of the brand new model -- yet the car punched all the right buttons.
CR is seldom useless, it is rarely useful, however.
Reminds me of asking a stranger, "where am I" and having the stranger reply "you're standing on the sidewalk."
True, accurate and pretty un-helpful.
I'll shut up now.
#6547 of 10348 Consumer reports
Mar 02, 2006 (4:15 pm)
The problem with CR is that they do not publish any information about sample sizes. Suppose only 2 readers write in for one car, and one of them has more than a few problems. The car gets a poor rating, even though a sample of 10 may have only showed one problem car. I know this may sound extreme, but without any knowledge concerning the reliability of their own statistics, I would have a hard time buying only based on CR reliability ratings.
I think all cars are closer in reliability than they ever have been. Some of the reliability discussion is silly to me.
Come to think of it, so is the "soul" discussion that seems to be perpetuated by the car mags. It kills me when they say that german cars have souls and Japanese cars do not (MT said the RL has tons of tech but soul). Is someone going to say that the Lexus engineer in Japan is any less enthusiastic about his/her job than the BMW engineer in germany. What about the factory workers. Well, my Acura has the souls of Ninjas past on board, so there
By the way, I had a terrible BMW 325 with recurrent engine and cooling problems, but then I traded it on a Subaru outback, which was horrific and threw an engine pully at 60,000 miles.
Sorry for the rant....
#6548 of 10348 Re: I Dunno... [markcincinnati]
Mar 02, 2006 (4:27 pm)
I am not anti-fun when it comes to cars. One of my cars is a Porsche Boxster - so there While the Boxster has been absolutely trouble free since new 5 1/2 years ago and has been ridiculously low cost to maintain, I have friends who have other German makes who have had nightmares with them - and I just don't think the subject of reliability should be swept under the rug - on any car forum.
Mar 02, 2006 (4:55 pm)
does the audi a6 come with keyless go?