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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#64 of 10348 Re: jrock65 [saugatak #60]
Jun 17, 2004 (12:05 pm)
Nissan/Infiniti is not really known for less NVH relative to Honda and Toyota anyway, and a few more horses probably won't make that much of a difference.
I don't necessarily think that Nissan would make the M35 300+ hp, just that I won't be surprised if they do. The Altima redefined the midsize V6 family sedan class in 2002 in terms of power with the 240 hp Altima. After Honda matched with the 240 hp Accord in 2003, Nissan promptly raised the Altima to 245 hp in 2004.
Same thing with the G35 and TL. The 2003 G35 had 260 hp, then Acura came out with the 2004 270hp TL, now Nissan is coming out with the 277hp 2005 G35 sedan.
So it looks like Nissan is determined to stay at the top in the hp race, with Honda egging them on. The RL/M35 battle could be the same thing. So I wouldn't be surprised if the M35 was 304hp or something, just so that Nissan could have bragging rights.
Another reason may be that the 2005 G35 Coupe Sport will have about 295 hp. Hence, it probably isn't that hard to squeeze out a few more horses, from basically the same engine. Also, Infiniti may not want a "lower-class" vehicle to have higher hp than a "higher-class" vehicle, even though one is a coupe and the other a sedan.
In all likelihood I'm wrong, but it's just a thought.
Jun 17, 2004 (3:07 pm)
I have not seen any facts that 2005 G35 will get more HP, but if it's the case it will make already loud engine even more louder. I don't think it's an option for midsize luxury vehicle for around $50K to have noisy engine, do you?
Jun 17, 2004 (3:15 pm)
The '05 G35 sedan has 277hp, and the G35 coupe gets 295.
#67 of 10348 pg4877, jrock
Jun 17, 2004 (11:32 pm)
jrock, I think all of your speculation is solid and right on.
I'm sure Nissan could get over 300HP out of the VQ. It has the same displacement as the RL's 3.5L SOHC but the VQ is a DOHC so Nissan should be able to get more than 300HP, and they're not that far away with some of their other VQ offerings.
pg4877 is repeating my basic point. The VQ is on the loud and gruff side regarding NVH, so to up the HP will make it probably even louder and gruffer, and cars in this price range typically have very low NVH.
Jun 17, 2004 (11:40 pm)
The VQ's noise hasnt impacted sales of the Z, or G in the slightest. I dont think they are worried.
Jun 18, 2004 (4:48 am)
That noise sounds darn right good in the G35 Coupe and 350Z. I doubt that Nissan will skimp on the refinement when it comes to the M35, they know (or should know) that it can't be loud and gruff in a upper-middle luxury sedan.
#70 of 10348 merc and lexusguy
Jun 19, 2004 (4:03 pm)
I have a lot of respect for what Ghosn's done with Nissan so I don't think he'll screw up the M35 either.
Jun 19, 2004 (11:15 pm)
Ghosn is genius. He took a company that maybe 5-6 years ago was written off for dead, and not just survived but came back with enough of a vengence to grab the #2 spot away from Honda. Apparently Renault is happy with him, as he is going to become chairman of the joint Renault\Nissan.
Jun 21, 2004 (1:24 am)
Moreover, he is a non-Japanese that took over a Japanese company and made it fluorish.
There can't be too many people in this world, of any race or culture, that can go into another country without speaking the language and do what Ghosn did.
It's too bad Ghosn's not in charge of GM.
#73 of 10348 Perspective
Jun 21, 2004 (5:41 am)
Nissan was nearly broke and desperate. They needed a savior and were receptive to all the money and new ideas.
Japan, Inc. has a long history of working with outside car companies. Mazda has close ties to Ford and has for a long time. Isuzu, Subaru and Suzuki have close ties to GM. Heck, GM buys Honda V6s for the Saturn Vue! Mitsubishi has long-term close ties to Chrysler (which are coming apart). (And don't forget Ford started in Japan before WW II and was a key player until their assets were appropriated by the Japanese government during the war.)