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#6295 of 10338 Re: There's a BMW for everyone [tagman] by lexusguy

Feb 19, 2006 (8:22 pm)

Replying to: tagman (Feb 19, 2006 8:02 pm)
There are still relatively few Lexus vehicles when compared to the Germans.. well BMW and Mercedes anyway. Audi currently doesnt have a big lineup, but they've got a huge product assault on the horizon.
 
For 2007, there will be 3 variants of the LS, 4 GS, 1 ES, 4 IS, 1 SC, 1 LX and GX, and 4 RX, making 19 models. By the end of the decade, there will be a hybrid ES, an IS convertible, and a new SUV to slot below the RX350, based on the HPX concept. The SC will also be replaced, and probably offer at least two engine choices, so Lexus will have at least 22 versions of its cars and trucks as well, but that does include their SUVs.

#6296 of 10338 Re: There's a BMW for everyone [lexusguy] by tagman

Feb 19, 2006 (8:49 pm)

Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 19, 2006 8:22 pm)
good work, lexusguy.
 
The Mercedes variations are quite numerous. If you count the wagons, roadsters, SUV's, as well as the sedans and coupes, it gets large. Add the 4matic AWD and I believe the number would get into the 30's. I'll have to look closer when I get the chance.

#6297 of 10338 Re: Replace BMW's inline 6 cyl? [cdnpinhead] by shipo

Feb 19, 2006 (9:31 pm)

Replying to: cdnpinhead (Feb 19, 2006 4:04 pm)
"However, I've heard that a 60-degree V6 was properly balanced, as opposed to a 90-degree V6, which most assuredly is not. The earliest V6's were chopped V8's & shook (GM in particular). To this day, Mercedes offers a 90-deg V6, but it does have balance shafts. What say you concerning the comparison of 60 & 90 degree V6's vs. the I6?"
 
Referring to the Internal-combustion engines chapter in my Bosch Automotive Handbook I see references to the following three different V6 configurations:
 
1) 90 degree V6 with a 0 degree offset 3 throw crank yielding a repetitive 150/90/150/90 degree firing interval
2) 90 degree V6 with a 30 degree offset 3 throw crank yielding an even 120 degree firing interval
3) 60 degree V6 with an even firing 6 throw crank
 
Below is the best representation I can create given the limitations of the TownHall posting medium of the First and Second Order Free Movement formulas for the above three engine types (Note: a = the distance between common bank side bore centers):
 
1) 90 Degree V6 - Uneven firing:
- - First Order Free Movement (F1): 3^0.5 * F1 * a^2
- - Second Order Free Movement (F2): 6^0.5 * F2 * a
 
2) 90 Degree V6 - Even firing:
- - First Order Free Movement (F1): 0.4438 * F1 * a
- - Second Order Free Movement (F2): (0.966+-0.256) * 3^0.5 * F2 * a
 
3) 60 Degree V6 - Even firing:
- - First Order Free Movement (F1): 3 * F1 * a/2
- - Second Order Free Movement (F2): 3 * F2 * a/2
 
Relative to the I6 (which scores a perfect zero in all catagories), all of those engines (in their unbalanced state) are "Shaky Jakes".
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

#6298 of 10338 Worth waiting for! by dewey

Feb 20, 2006 (9:10 am)

BMW Unveils New Biturbo Petrol Straight Six Engine.
 
-The hugely-powerful all-aluminum 3.0-litre six has the
efficiency and flexibility of acclaimed BMW VALVETRONIC and double-VANOS technology, the new engine is able to produce an immense 225 kW of power and 400 Nm of torque. It is armed with a Table Mountain-like torque profile that defies the term curve. Peak torque of 400 Nm is delivered between 1,500 rpm and 5,800 rpm and the engine boasts a 7,000 rpm red line.
 
-High-precision direct petrol injection cuts fuel use by 10 percent
 
-Turbo lag banished by intelligent biturbo technology
 
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#6299 of 10338 Re: Worth waiting for! [dewey] by markcincinnati

Feb 20, 2006 (9:39 am)

Replying to: dewey (Feb 20, 2006 9:10 am)
I read the entire article and although I do KNOW what cars the 3.0 will fit in, there actually was no mention of which car will enjoy this engine?
 
Being a long-time fan of Audi's turbos, especially my 1995 S6 I5 20V and my 2003 V6 30V bi-turbo, I have long wondered why all the goodness of the I6 Bimmer engines have thus far gone sans turbo.
 
My goodness, in terms of actual cost for BMW, the gross profit of a 530xi with this turbo 3.0 I6 would have to shoot up.
 
Why bother with the no replacement for displacement axiom when you can live with the "except for volumetric efficiency" that a modern zero-lag bi-turbo can offer.
 
The 5 series would be, hmmm, "unbeatable" especially for moi if they kept the 6speed manual and allowed you to order this engine in an otherwise pedestrian 530txi, yea "txi" kinda has a nice ring to it, eh?
 
Kinda like to bounce this TLA off my wife, uhhhh, Morgan Fairchild, yea, that's it, that's the ticket.
 
Now let's see Audi bi-turbo their already fine 3.2V6 FSI and go from fuel straight injection to full "fuel stratified injection" which is where they wanted to be in the US all along.
 
Woo Woo.
 
When, when? With respect to the new BMW I6 bi-turbo in a 5 series, anyone? Anyone at all? Beuhler?
 
 

#6300 of 10338 Disappointing Lexus Sales in Japan! by dewey

Feb 20, 2006 (9:44 am)

It appears the Japanese love their MBs, Audis and BMWs more than the Japanese version of luxury in the guise of a Lexus.
 
Toyota is disappointed with the cool reception Lexus is receiving in the Japanese market. In fact the biggest benefactor to the introduction of Lexuses is BMW:
 
 But with a little help from Lexus, attitudes are changing. BMW estimates that the number of visitors to its showrooms is up 20% since the rival's launch, and as many Japanese consider foreign brands for the first time. Customers realize that if you spend $45,000 or more, "you can afford an imported car," Suzuki says
 
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#6301 of 10338 Re: Worth waiting for! [dewey] by shipo

Feb 20, 2006 (9:51 am)

Replying to: dewey (Feb 20, 2006 9:10 am)
All-Aluminum???
 
Errr, wait a minute, I thought the new I6 engines in the E60 and E90 cars was a magnesium bore arrangement with a shrink fit aluminum outer block surrounding it. Did BMW revert to the older all aluminum (with steel bore sleeves) for the Bi-Turbo?
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

#6302 of 10338 Re: Worth waiting for! [markcincinnati] by dewey

Feb 20, 2006 (9:52 am)

Replying to: markcincinnati (Feb 20, 2006 9:39 am)
The 5 series would be, hmmm, "unbeatable" especially for moi if they kept the 6speed manual and allowed you to order this engine in an otherwise pedestrian 530txi, yea "txi" kinda has a nice ring to it, eh?
 
My definition of happiness:
A 330ti /530ti in Touring form in alpine white and please hold the SMG/Automatic tranny(just serve it with a a stick)

#6303 of 10338 Re: Worth waiting for! [shipo] by dewey

Feb 20, 2006 (10:04 am)

Replying to: shipo (Feb 20, 2006 9:51 am)
Good question. I dont know the answer? Would there be issues with using a Bitburbo version of a magensium-aluminum engine?

#6304 of 10338 Re: Replace BMW's inline 6 cyl? [jjacura] by merc1

Feb 20, 2006 (11:05 am)

Replying to: jjacura (Feb 19, 2006 6:05 pm)
Merc...I assume you made it to the Chicago show...anything turn your head?
 
Why yes of course. Well after Detroit I usually just go to Chicago just to see the new debuts. A lot of people were naturally gawking at the Camaro, Imperial, etc, but me been there done that...lol.
 
As far as luxury cars, hmmm.... One thing I remember how truly unnatractive this new ES350 is. It continues to get worse looking with each re-design. I finally got to sit in the new S-Class. Totally outdoes the outgoing model in build/material quality. Look for this new S to be a big hit, IME. In looking at the full lines from BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, Jaguar, Acura, Cadillac and Infiniti I came to the conclusion that Audi has the most stylish group of cars under one brand. Not a questionable looking vehicle in the bunch to me. All I can remember at the moment, will most more thoughts in HELM thread and pics in the News and View thread about autoshow pics.
 
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