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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#6084 of 10348 Re: Acura's RL Sales? [lexusguy]
Feb 02, 2006 (3:12 pm)
It's nicer, yes, but $12K+ nicer? The TL is better looking, just as fast, has just about all of the technology, (integrated into a much more attractive center stack) and is basically the same size.
I've driven my RL since Oct 2004 and have ridden extensively in a friend's TL. For me, there's no doubt the RL is $12K nicer. The RL is quieter, rides nicer, has a better NAV, and definitely feels more luxurious, and, of course, has AWD. It's all subjective, of course, but I would never consider a TL over my RL.
#6085 of 10348 Re: Acura's RL Sales? [nebraskaguy]
Feb 02, 2006 (3:36 pm)
"You may not like the RL, but it most certainly is not a TL with AWD. There is no comparison between the two. Whether the RL is worth that much more money is up for discussion, but it is a far nicer car than the TL."
What, pray tell, is "far nicer" about the RL than the TL? I had an RL loaner for 7 days last spring after a red light runner removed the front bumper of my TL 6-speed. So I got ample time behind the wheel.
Aesthetics: My assessment is that the RL has a very attractive interior - but so does the TL. I found very nominal differences in material quality. The amenities are virtually identical. The traffic based navigation was actually annoyingly inacurate in the Washington DC area, missing Beltway backups, etc.
Performance: Dissapointing, based upon my preferences. The "Super Handling" AWD wasn't. The RL is excessively heavy at 4,000 lbs and felt like it. Not only did it fall short of a BMW 5 series in driving dynamics, but was neither as nimble handling nor as quick as my FWD TL 6-speed. I will concede that the RL is quieter and provides a more "insulated" cabin, but unfortunately at the expense of being a car I could never label as "fun to drive". It has more in common with a Toyota Avalon than a 550i 6-speed on that front.
I have been reprimanded by others who claim that I am misguided to think the RL was intended to appeal to "driving enthusiasts". But I believe that the RL offers neither adequate performance nor significantly increased luxury over the TL to be a market success. And the sales numbers seem to back me up.
#6086 of 10348 Re: Acura's RL Sales? [markcincinnati]
Feb 02, 2006 (4:00 pm)
Curious, what's happening to Acura.
mark - one thing that will be happening over the course of the next years is that Honda/Acura made an announcement very recently that as ALL new Acura models are released moving forward, they will be UNIQUE to Acura, and NOT derivatives of other Honda models. That says a LOT . . . as it will allow for Acura to independently soar further along . . . to where, though, will be seen!
#6087 of 10348 Re: Temptation! [dewey]
Feb 02, 2006 (4:22 pm)
Bangle curves? What Bangle curves? The revulsion is to the Bangle angles. And the stupid eyebrows. And the Bangle Butt.
#6088 of 10348 Re: Temptation! [warthog]
Feb 02, 2006 (5:07 pm)
What revulsion? BMW 5 sales are going through the roof!
They are up 42.8% since January 2005.
A ringing endorsement of those exotic Egyptian goddess-like eyes and that incredibly aggressive and bold innovative style.
The votes are in and the folks in the USA have voted YES for Chris Bangle.
Sales of the 5 series have far outstripped those of the 3 series since January 2005.
When is the last time that happened?
#6089 of 10348 Re: Temptation! [hpowders]
Feb 02, 2006 (5:23 pm)
Perhaps, in part.
The other part may be pent-up demand for an AWD BMW. Go figure -- I wouldn't have one on a bet. Clearly many others feel (or, one hopes, think) differently.
#6090 of 10348 Re: Temptation! [cdnpinhead]
Feb 02, 2006 (5:28 pm)
I don't buy it. The 3 series has been available in AWD yet the 5 series is way ahead of the 3 series in sales for the last 12 months:
42.8% vs. 21.5%.
This is unheard of!!!
The 3 has always been their biggest mover.
#6091 of 10348 Re: Temptation! [pat]
Feb 02, 2006 (7:03 pm)
What I need to know is what BMW model costs $525,000? Can we get some pics?
None. I guess he needed big pockets for the spare change
#6092 of 10348 Re: Temptation! [hpowders]
Feb 02, 2006 (7:24 pm)
don't buy it. The 3 series has been available in AWD yet the 5 series is way ahead of the 3 series in sales for the last 12 months
Overall the sales of the 3 series is far higher than the 5 series.
The reason sales growth compared to last January is higher for the 5 series than the 3 series is because:
1) Last January there was no such thing as a 5 series xi. Last January there was such a thing as a 3 series xi.
2) Last year there was no such thing as a 5 series Touring. Last year there was such a thing as a 3 series touring.
If you compare the January sales of the 06 550i, 530i and 525i to the January sales of the 05 545i, 530i and 525i models then you will notice that sales have actually dropped for all three of these RWD models.
But overall you are correct the sales of the 5 series has been terrific.
#6093 of 10348 Re: Temptation! [tagman]
Feb 02, 2006 (10:39 pm)
You won't have to buy only the BMW to get the Bangled look . . . the way it's revealing itself even on the new MB's and Lexus.
Going to have to disagree here. I don't know about Lexus, but Mercedes isn't following Bangle in the least. The rear of the S-Class is from the Maybach and the Maybach concept was shown way back in 1997 - long before anyone named Bangle ever designed a BMW and years before the 2002 7-Series (the car that started it all) hit the road. The wheel arches on the S-Class clearly aren't from the house of Bangle either.