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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#5971 of 10348 Re: Quality [acctprof]
Jan 27, 2006 (12:50 pm)
Dont give up on a car because of a couple of angry owners on a car forum. 90 people gave the M35 an average score of 9.3 out of 10 in the consumer review section. Additionally, in JD power IQ scores, Acura was thoroughly beaten by Infiniti in both 2004 and 2005.
The M35 scored just as well as the Lexus GS300 in CR's '05 scores. The '05 RL scores were not even close. The RL is rated "fair" in the electrical category, and "poor" in power equipment, meaning as much as 20% of '05 RL owners reported electrical problems in their surveys. The M and GS did perfectly across the board.
If you are worried about European reliability, dont get an RL. Its scores were no better than those of the BMW 5 and Audi A6.
#5972 of 10348 Re: Quality [acctprof]
Jan 27, 2006 (1:07 pm)
Question: Which is more reliable a Infiniti M or Acura RL?
To make a reliability conclusion on two models that were just introduced in 05 seems a bit premature. A few years of future RL and M data will provide the answer you are seeking.
I apologize if that is not the answer you seeked.
#5973 of 10348 Re: Quality [dewey]
Jan 27, 2006 (1:51 pm)
Based on the manufacturers' histories, I'd say both will be realiable vehicles. But if I had to make a gut reaction, I'd probably lean towards the Acura/Honda vs the Infiniti/Nissan.
#5974 of 10348 Re: AWD handling [usmc0369]
Jan 27, 2006 (2:28 pm)
That's my point exactly. I questioned why AWD makes sense for sedans on normal roads (not an offroad Outback, such as your vehicle) except in winter climates. It's just too much weight, friction, complication and added cost for no benefit that's apparent to me, Markcincinnati's insistence notwithstanding. I realize mark alludes to a multitude of articles claiming a performance advantage, but I want someone to explain to me how that happens.
Seems to me that as different as racing is from everyday driving, it's still more like everyday than offroading is.
#5975 of 10348 Re: What Sport/Luxury Sedan under $50,000MSRP would James Bond Drive? [mark
Jan 27, 2006 (3:26 pm)
What is the movie's name with the AMC cars in it?
Wayne's World, Cobra (Sly Stallone), and that Oscar contender, Good Burger (it was called the burgermobile)!
#5976 of 10348 Re: Quality [lexusguy] Mt 2 cents
Jan 27, 2006 (5:23 pm)
For what it is worth. I was driving a 2004 325i and was giving that car to the wife with the intention of going into a new 530i. After driving the car and then by accident an Infiniti M35X I was shocked!! Then M35 had more room a much richer interior all the handling and much more power than the new 5 series. I have had my M35 since May 05 and I have had 0 problems. As for the problem forums I seriously question if some of those people even own the cars. But to each his own. I never thought I would ever drive anything but a BMW but I feel out of love with the new stark interior and lack of power of the 5er.
#5977 of 10348 Re: Quality [erickpl]
Jan 27, 2006 (6:37 pm)
Both of Acura's most recent introductions, the TL in '04 and RL in '05, were plagued with initial problems. Infiniti hasnt run into those kinds of IQ problems. The only recent Infiniti with any kind of major issues is the QX56, which is basically a rebadge of the Armada. Nissan isnt the greatest when it comes to build quality, but Infiniti ranks up there with the best.
If it were me choosing between the RL or an M35x, my gut would point me towards the Infiniti, no question about it. Nissan has been working with ATTESA-ETS for more than 10 years. The RL, on the other hand, is SH-AWD's first time at bat. Its an extremely complex system, and Ive heard some reports of car disabling mechanical issues related to it.
#5978 of 10348 Re: Quality [lexusguy]
Jan 29, 2006 (12:42 pm)
I have personally never heard of these plagues of issues with Acura. Nor have I seen anything on the RL or TL boards which I have been following closely for the last one and a half years. Other than the rare person who gets a lemon, they are doing well. I have seen no well documented reports about any mechanical problems with SH-AWD, just rare individuals with problems, just like on the Infiniti board.
Acura, IMO, is one of the more reliable brands, along with Lexus. It is Infiniti that has had a mixed past, with only the newer cars (the G and M) being reliable in the early reviews...IMO
#5979 of 10348 Re: Quality [liferules]
Jan 29, 2006 (12:56 pm)
Actually, the Q, I, J, and G20 were all very reliable cars. Acura, on the other hand, had five years of TLs and CLs that had transmission failures. (99-03 5-speed automatic). Its a documented issue, Acura had to recall them all. Infiniti never had that problem.
This thread http://www.acuraworld.com/forums/showthread.php?s=66fdad34afddb83090931a72378748- - - a1&t=49577
Is specifically about SH-AWD lockups\failures. I havent heard anything about that kind of thing on G35\M35xs.
#5980 of 10348 Re: Quality [nebraskaguy]
Jan 29, 2006 (1:17 pm)
You're forgetting that the Infiniti M35 comes with standard voice recognition which with the touch of one finger on the steering wheel allows you to simply speak the temperature and HVAC changes you'd like to make.The dash controls are more for the passenger to play with. Voice recognition also changes radio stations,cellular phone system, 6 disc in-dash cd changer, Navigation(even as you drive)and DVD audio/video if so equipped.