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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#5799 of 10348 Re: December sales [merc1]
Jan 06, 2006 (7:43 am)
My two choices in this segment at the end of June were the A6 and the M35X (since there was no 530 or 525 "x" version and no manual transmissions anyway.)
I did feel the A6 over the M35X was still "more Germanic" (Doh!) and I think (hope) you take my meaning, get my drift, etc -- for I certainly know that one is from Japan and one from Germany. Yet, I felt the M35X at the time was the most German-like (within my choices -- and even though I remain impressed to a degree with the STS w/AWD and the luxury & sport packages, but NOT at $64K and at the time the V6 AWD was NOT on the market) next to the Audi.
I must add to not get into a "is not, is too" discussion the key TLA "IMO."
I was happily going down the path with the thought process that the M35X was a worthy entrant into the LPS ranks even though perhaps 18 months ago I would have said ONLY German cars need apply if the "P" is capitalized in LPS.
2005 has changed everything. I would not be regretting the acquisition of the M35X had the deal played out for that one to be the "higher perceived (by me) value."
The 2005/2006 versions of all of these cars (OK virtually all) are quite similar. Style, perhaps some content (but even that can be manipulated to be "so close" to each other) and perhaps personal, subjective, preferences are far more compelling this (2005 MY) and 2006 MYears. But to this day, I do not feel the A6 takes much of a back seat to the M35X in terms of sportiness.
Now, if there is a test of an A6 4.2 SLine vs an M45 w/sport (but I would contend the AWD would still sway me and since the A6 alone in these two offers AWD, well. . .) that certainly could demonstrate the M45's more sporting intentions. But, speaking as a majority of one, on the street the two cars would be both considered "sport-ING" and probably of similar composure and demeanor in normal "American" driving.
I'd also like to see a test between an Acura RL, BMW 530xi, Chrysler 300C AWD, a Cadillac V8 STS/AWD, the M35X and the Lexus also w/AWD -- and, of course, the aforementioned SLine 4.2 A6 (each with as many sport option boxes ticked off as possible, too.) Now THAT would be entertainment (but I'd wager few would be swayed, or as the saying goes, ". . .many would be called, but few would answer. . .", "Man" -- circa 1970.)
Yes I know the 6 cylinder versions might be at a power disadvantage but since at this time most of these guys DON'T offer AWD + V8 power, well we would have to let the chips fall where they may and just take the editor's remarks with our personal spins (intact, probably.)
To those currently shopping: "what a great time to be doing so." Drive it like you live.
#5800 of 10348 Re: Just got back from Europe... [docnukem]
Jan 06, 2006 (7:57 am)
I was about to cruise to Europe but Cunard refused to find a place for my 545 on the
How do they expect me to get around over there?
#5801 of 10348 Re: Just got back from Europe... [hpowders]
Jan 06, 2006 (8:00 am)
Two words: "European Delivery"
#5802 of 10348 Re: Just got back from Europe... [shipo]
Jan 06, 2006 (8:05 am)
BMW and Mercedes continue to offer ED and that looks like a wonderful way to get a new car and have a pretty cool European Vacation!
I wonder if there is JD for the Infiniti and Lexus folks?
#5803 of 10348 Re: Just got back from Europe... [markcincinnati]
Jan 06, 2006 (8:14 am)
Japan Delivery? Hmmm, now there's a thought. Let's see, hit a Sushi bar at Narita, spend a few hours getting to the JD Center and taking delivery of your new car, then spend the next week or so hitting every Eel Bar, Sushi Bar, and any other less mainstream eating establishments found along the way.
Yup, I can think of lots of less enjoyable types of trips.
The only fly in the ointment that I can think of is the whole driving on the wrong side of the road thing. I once drove a continental car in the U.K. and trust me, driving on the wrong side of the road is initially hard enough. Coupling that with having the steering wheel on the left side of the car simply compounds the issues. :-/
#5804 of 10348 Re: Just got back from Europe... [shipo]
Jan 06, 2006 (10:07 am)
You are so right about the left hand drive -- er, never mind.
I have driven on the Autobahn between Ingolstadt and Garmish anyway -- WHAT A RUSH!
#5805 of 10348 Re: Just got back from Europe... [markcincinnati]
Jan 06, 2006 (10:38 am)
Volvo also offers european delivery. No question it is a great way to buy a car, as long as you don't need the car immediately (remember, you won't have the car while it is making its way across the Atlantic on a boat)
I've heard good things about the DC factory delivery, but more good things about Volvo's.
I've never heard of factory delivery for Japan.
#5806 of 10348 Re: Just got back from Europe... [markcincinnati]
Jan 06, 2006 (11:34 am)
I did the run from Munich to Garmish in my brand spankin' new 530i a couple of years back. Unfortunately as the car had a total of about 4 miles on it when I left the BMW ED Center, I had to take it rather easier than it sounds like you were driving. That being said, on the return trip to Munich (some 1,200 miles later), I made some seriously good time from Luxemburg to Munich via Stuttgart.
The BMW ED program is nothing to sneeze at either.
#5807 of 10348 Re: Just got back from Europe... [shipo]
Jan 06, 2006 (11:58 am)
I think BMW also has a factory delivery program IN the U.S. (South Carolina?), that is supposed to be very cool. I think if you buy a Z (or maybe an M?) you get a free driving school, and word is the SoCarolina highway patrol "look the other way" when you cruise the foothills
#5808 of 10348 Is the Alphabet M trademarked yet?
Jan 06, 2006 (12:13 pm)
The following was written today in the national Canadian newspaper called the National Post:
BMW takes Nissan Canada to court over the letter M
Nissan is benefitting from the high-end reputation carve out by BMW's M Series cars, something that will confuse purveyors of pricey automobilies, BMW argued in Ontario documents filed in August.
BMW does not object to Infinitis equipped with its trademarked M35 and M45 labels. But BMW objects to a Nissan advertising campaign that featured commercials carrying the tagline "the M is coming" and showing cars with the letter next to a smaller Nissan logo.
This behavior of BMW reeks with insecurity. I am kind of disappointed that BMW would behave in such a thin-skinned petty manner.
Interestingly I heard Nissan was considering legal action against VW because of their use of the letter Q for their new Audi SUVs.