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You are in the Sedans
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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#5701 of 10348 Re: At the BMW store yesterday. . . [turnbowm]
Jan 03, 2006 (5:25 am)
At the time I got my A6, I was driving a 2003 allroad with the 6spd. I shopped for a "like sized" car that had AWD -- at the time, the new BMW 5's w/6spd were not on the market.
AWD was a deal breaker.
I am very pleased that BMW has continued to offer the 6spd in the 5 series. I am, however out of the market for at least 2 years.
My evaluation of my current automatic is that it is the best one I have ever had -- but still not as good (subjectively considering, fun, performance, control, etc.) as the manuals I have had and that my wife has in her 2005 BMW X3 3.0.
I curse if forced to sit in traffic with an auto, too. I still see no reason for the transmission to be chosen due to traffic congestion. Were congestion of that sort -- frequent and regular gridlock, perhaps -- I would hope there would be public transportation.
I am happy you can have what you want. I don't want anyone to not get the transmission in the car they want. What used to be the key differentiation for me was first and foremost AWD (which Audi has had for over two decades), followed by a manual transmission offering (also which Audi had even through the C5 A6's.)
Now after these decades, "all" the LPS cars come with or offer AWD, and only BMW offers AWD + Manual transmissions. The conclusion (not based in reality of course) that I have come to is that these LPS cars have much more alike than different. Further, it would seem to me that the distribution of purchases (again not based on reality) would be overwhelmingly manual in the BMW and of course auto in everything else.
Couple this completely non-fact based opinion with the statement that in less than 6 months, my local BMW dealer is selling 40% of the 5's as AWD and you would think there would be an even stronger migration of folks (like me) who want both AWD and manual to BMW -- apparently, it just isn't working out that way though.
My only other choice, at the time, included a BMW X3 and ordering an Audi A4 3.2 (which was not yet offered with the stick shift.)
Wanting a car of the size of the LPS crowd, my choices, sadly were limited -- I took what I perceived was the best compromise du jour.
Either the SMG or DSG, however, will probably suffice -- so, I await, "next time."
It is good to see a sub subject (transmissions) is stirring up the conversations. If nothing else, that is a good thing.
#5702 of 10348 Re: At the BMW store yesterday. . . [markcincinnati]
Jan 03, 2006 (5:33 am)
I have had to creep in frequent and regular congestion for thirty to forty-five minutes on a daily basis - it made me forego my beloved manual transmissions, also. I think if you had to do it, you'd understand. We're not talking about being stopped - yes, you can deal with that by shifting to neutral and waiting to go again. We're talking about creeping where you are constantly shifting to second, either from first or third - not only does it wear out a clutch, it wears out your left leg - and your patience.
Oh and no, there is no public transportation that will get me from where I am to where I was going.
#5703 of 10348 Re: BMW and manual transmissions [designman]
Jan 03, 2006 (6:46 am)
... There are two carmakers that will always offer MTs and they’re both German—BMW and Porsche. ...
I don't know about BMW since they're really pushing that SMG. You can even get the SMG for FREE on the 550i. Porsche, on the other hand, probably will always offer a true manual, considering their decision to use one instead of the cliche paddle shifters on their best car ever, the Carrera GT.
#5707 of 10348 Manual Vs. Automatic--different strokes
Jan 03, 2006 (11:55 am)
My first 10 or 12 cars were stick shift. My first "sporty" car was a '57 Triumph TR3. When
I had to start a 2 hour-30 mile--stop and go--commute from Orange Co. to downtown Los Angeles in 1963, it became one huge headache and got rid of it. My '72 Mazda RX-2 was a real ugly little 4 door, but it could get second gear rubber and embarassed a couple Porsche 911 T's in the "Stop Light Grand Prix".(wouldn't stick with an "S" though and red faced Porsche upped the hp/torque on the "T" in '73--dang). Those were the "good old" days? My current "toy car" is a '91 Mazda RX-7 convertible. It is fun to "troll" for babes with my little little Yorkie--sadly she gets all the attention--but the point I'm getting to is that it has automatic. Around town in heavy traffic a manual is a pain for most of us in my opinion. On the open road I would still enjoy one I think.(Lucky for you younger folk I don't plan to drive that way again although I did enjoy the power of my '94 Cad CST when passing on a 2 lane highway or merging onto the freeway). Even when"speed shifting"--tough on cars--broke an axle once and stripped the ring and pinion gears another time and blew more than one clutch--an automatic is only a little slower and less costly in the long run if you are aggressive as I once was. And if you really blow a shift, repairing a manual costs more than replacing an auto as I discovered.
Jan 03, 2006 (12:31 pm)
. . .too old to rock 'n' roll (shift for myself, apparently) and too young to die (willing to accept either the DSG or SMG, however.)
Brings to mind that phrase from Robert Frost, "nothing gold can stay." But in my case perhaps it should be "death be not proud."
Or while I'm being literary, maybe, "Death of an Automatic Transmission. . . ." or something like that.
This "clinging to the manual transmission" is itself an inability to see reality.
#5709 of 10348 Re: I am officially. . . [markcincinnati]
Jan 03, 2006 (12:58 pm)
I'm with you. I have had sticks all my life, my last 2 cars and current truck have auto tranny and I am going nuts.
For me it's the engagement factor. It's the difference between the driving experience, and the driving spectator. My S4 will have a 6 speed manual. I live in Houston one of the most heavily congested areas of the US. I'm sure I'm one of the few,The proud, the tired left footed...
#5710 of 10348 Re: BMW and manual transmissions [tayl0rd]
Jan 03, 2006 (1:42 pm)
I don't know about BMW since they're really pushing that SMG.
Economics dictates that BMW will keep manuals within the next decade at least. Why?
Supply and demand. BMW would cherish the day when it will be the only company offering manual sport sedans. Once the manual market is monopolized by BMW, the profit margins for such a narrow niche will be too tempting to give up.