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#5056 of 9644 3 years of G35 does not equal "established brand" by lexusguy Nov 21, 2005 (4:06 am)
Sorry, I know I'm a little late, but I really have to argue with the idea that because the G35 has generally been a success (Infiniti's first, only took them 14 years), they are as much of an established brand as BMW. To the average consumer, Infiniti did not exist before 2003. I bet that a majority of consumers still have no idea who they are. There's also no way they have close to the number of dealers that BMW does. I have to travel 1.5hrs to get to the nearest Infiniti dealer. There's a BMW store within 20 minutes, and I can get to Lexus, Jag, and M-B in 40. For the LPS class, they didnt exist before a few months ago. How long has the 5 series been around? Thats hardly what I'd call comparable. Even though the RL wasnt really a LPS in its previous generation, it still has been around since the Legend days, and people did buy them. Nobody bought the failed first gen M45. For Infiniti to come from nowhere and beat BMW in sales, the 5 series would have to have a lot more problems than controversial styling and iDrive. The wheels would have to fall off, and the engines would have to explode.   The M needs several generations on the market, and Infiniti needs a heck of a lot more prestige (a Q45 that isnt a flop would help matters a lot) before they can be considered on equal footing with BMW. Right now they are basically fighting with both hands tied behind their back.
#5057 of 9644 Re: Been some time. . . [lexi300] by lexusguy Nov 21, 2005 (4:09 am)
Replying to: lexi300 (Nov 19, 2005 8:21 pm) Its not just the GS, there's basically nothing about the STS, RL, S-type, or E either. The Audi, BMW, and Infiniti have the most "P" of the LPS class, so therefore they are the most interesting to talk about.
#5058 of 9644 Et Tu Consumer Reports? by hpowders Nov 21, 2005 (5:06 am)
Even that great Lexus apologist, Consumer Reports, recently reported on the disappointing handling of the 2006 GS. Just before the GS was released, the word of mouth coming out of Lexus was that the new GS was being aimed squarely at the 5 series. One such executive foolishly proclaimed it as a "5 killer."   But if you lexi300 are happy with it, that's really all that matters.   Everyone here can find negative reviews about their own particular favorite of LPS.   Enjoy yours! Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 21, 2005 7:06 am) drtravel (Nov 21, 2005 10:26 am) hpowders (Nov 21, 2005 10:47 am) pat (Nov 21, 2005 12:45 pm) and 1 more...
#5059 of 9644 New S Class by rich545 Nov 21, 2005 (6:51 am)
I just saw the new S Class on the road for the first time yesterday, and I gotta say that I find it to be really ugly. Obviously just my opinion, but the front end looks like a Caddie to me, and the rear looks like, umm, I don't even have a name for it. Doesn't even look remotely like a MB to me. But I guess people said that about the Bangle designs too. IMHO the 7 is much better looking. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 21, 2005 7:11 am) jjacura (Nov 21, 2005 7:54 am) lexusguy (Nov 21, 2005 9:02 am)
#5060 of 9644 Re: Et Tu Consumer Reports? [hpowders] by lexusguy Nov 21, 2005 (7:06 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Nov 21, 2005 5:06 am) As much as we all like to pick on CR, they really do care about more than just reliability. Many of the cars they rank highest in terms of safety, performance and handling are not "recommended" cars.
#5061 of 9644 Re: New S Class [rich545] by lexusguy Nov 21, 2005 (7:11 am)
Replying to: rich545 (Nov 21, 2005 6:51 am) I find the rears of the new ML and R classes to be rather ugly as well. I think the R is just an ugly car as a whole. The ML at least isnt too bad from the front.. better than the old one anyway. I really didnt like the looks of the original 745i, but the 750i isnt too bad looking. Its at least interesting, which is not something I'd say about the A8. The A8 is not necessarily unattractive, its just the usual "Audi, size L". Replies to this message: jjacura (Nov 21, 2005 7:54 am) lexusguy (Nov 21, 2005 9:02 am)
#5062 of 9644 Re: New S Class [lexusguy] by jjacura Nov 21, 2005 (7:54 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 21, 2005 7:11 am) The Audi A8...it's like a boat "Audi, size XXL" Replies to this message: lexusguy (Nov 21, 2005 9:02 am)
#5063 of 9644 Re: New S Class [jjacura] by lexusguy Nov 21, 2005 (9:02 am)
Replying to: jjacura (Nov 21, 2005 7:54 am) Well, I was counting just A4, A6, and A8 as Audi size S, M, and L. Audi has smaller cars than the A4, but they dont have that single basic shape that the 4, 6, and 8 have.
#5064 of 9644 Re: Et Tu Consumer Reports? [hpowders] by drtravel Nov 21, 2005 (10:26 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Nov 21, 2005 5:06 am) Everyone here can find negative reviews about their own particular favorite of LPS.   What might interest people here are any negative comments or suggested improvements you have about BMW and not it's competitors. Concentrate on your area of expertise, i.e. your BMW. Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 21, 2005 10:47 am) pat (Nov 21, 2005 12:45 pm)
#5065 of 9644 Re: Et Tu Consumer Reports? [drtravel] by hpowders Nov 21, 2005 (10:47 am)
Replying to: drtravel (Nov 21, 2005 10:26 am) I don't believe I have to ask you what folks here might be interested in.   I've studied and driven the M35, M45, GS300 and GS430 in addition to BMW. So I plan on many more posts about the M and GS since I know quite a lot about them. The fact that the E60 is the ultimate driving machine in its class is not my fault, pal! Please don't take your petty frustrations out on me. Drive and buy an E60 for yourself. Should be the cure   I am so thankful this holiday week for the exquisite E60 545 that Chris Bangle designed for me.   PS: Can you dispute anything in my post about the GS? Replies to this message: pat (Nov 21, 2005 12:45 pm)

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