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Lexus GS 430, Acura RL, BMW 5 Series, Volvo S80, Audi A6, Infiniti M35, Infiniti M45, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac STS, Sedan
#504 of 10348 New Sedans
Jan 24, 2005 (7:13 pm)
As the owner of a 2000 Acura RL, I thought I was just waiting until the new RL was out to upgrade. A Fed-Ex truck ended the wait so I had to buy something several months ago. Decided to buy a V6 Accord and wait to see how the segment shakes out. Having now seen and sat in all the contenders I am leaning toward the M35/M45. I may be the only one, but the idea of having to deal with the lawyer message on the nav system every time I start the car is enough to keep me away from any cars with Nav standard. M looks like the best bang for the buck. Now the question is V6 (smart choice) or V8 (macho choice)?
Jan 24, 2005 (8:06 pm)
The question with M35\45 seems to be wether you want really fast, or REALLY fast. The lowly M35 has enough grunt to keep up with an E430 or the old A6 4.2. Quite an achievement for Infiniti.
#506 of 10348 Re: New Sedans [jtt1]
Jan 24, 2005 (9:12 pm)
Jan 24, 2005 (10:22 pm)
It is ridiculous to say that the criticisms that some have of the RL are not valid just because someone has not driven the car. I have driven the car and feel that the comments about back seat and trunk space and mediocre braking/performance are on target.
Those observations have also been made even by Car and Driver which put it in their top 10 and by several others on the RL forum (some who like the car and some who don't). It is amusing to see defenders of the car deny measurements and side by side comparisons people have done at recent auto shows.
To me, the SH-AWD is nice but alot of the other technology the car offers is a poor substitute for having some of the deficiencies noted. It looks like the M series (or even a TL with AWD) could compare very favorably.
#508 of 10348 gogglespiasano
Jan 24, 2005 (10:36 pm)
"or even a TL with AWD"
The history of TL and RL makes me think that Acura may not give the TL AWD specifically for this reason. The TL has always killed the RL in sales, and has always been a significantly better value. While the RL is no longer the stodgy, over-priced Toyota Avalon that it once was, I dont think it offers enough over the TL to justify a $17,000 hike.
In the days when Infiniti was a joke, Acura had an easier time as the fun, value priced Lexus alternative. Now Infiniti is a stronger force than Acura, and they've carved out the perfect sporty Ying to Lexus' luxury Yang. It puts Acura in a very uncomfortable spot somewhere in the middle, in a similar situation that Audi is in vs. BMW and Mercedes.
Jan 25, 2005 (5:26 am)
I, too, faced the choice of the V6 or V8. As I am in the snow belt, the 6 with AWD made more sense. (Although my sense can be doubted since I ordered it without a test drive). If I lived about 300 miles south of here, the 45 sport would have won out.
I got a call from my dealer yesterday. They are receiving their first two M's on 2/17. The pre-ordered (at least here in west MI)cars will arrive the first week in March.
#510 of 10348 BMW, Acura, Audi, Lexus, Infininti.......
Jan 25, 2005 (9:21 am)
We've owned or leased a vehicle from each of the above brands over the past ten years. We've been happy with each car, however each lends itself to a particularly different experience.
Lexus was plush, reliable as all get-up, and the best service experience (we were hardly there, but when we were it was 1st class). A little boring on the ride (LS 400), but silky smooth.
Audi (A6 and A8) was a great experience- a little spotty on the reliability, as there seemed to be middling little problems every couple of months that would require a half day at the dealership. But the service department was excellent, and probably the second best sales dealer experience.
Acura was a nice experience (TL, with our best friends and neighbors owning the new RL). Solid car, nothing too fancy. A shade over the "luxury line", if you will.
Infiniti was the best sales experience we had anywhere- to this day. I35, which is a nice but not great car. No reliability issues whatsoever. Looked at the G35, but too small. LOVE what I've seen/heard about the M- it may be my next car. Inherited a '91 Q45, and it was a great car while we owned it.
BMW is what I am currently driving- an '05 530i. LOVE the car- but am having some initial spotty service. Not a reliability issue- a problem loading software. It's a service issue, but not a reliability- that's a big difference IMO.
So.......I really think ALL of the current offering of the luxury manufacturers are excellent vehicles. Some may be faster than others, some more luxurious, some with a better repair history, etc.... But we are in an age where 40-60k is going to allow you the choice between close to a dozen fabulous sedans. Compare that to a decade ago. Not even close.
Jan 25, 2005 (3:15 pm)
2006 GS300 AWD with Nav 49999 (without levinson stereo)
2006 GS300 AWD w/out Nav 47024 (without levinson stereo)
2006 GS430 RWD w/Nav and chrome 58743 (nav and chrome are standard)
The above was posted by someone else in another forum. I can't vouch for the authenticity.
#512 of 10348 Agree with gold233790
Jan 25, 2005 (6:21 pm)
I've driven three of the cars on the list - BMW 530, MB 320, and my A6 (2.7T, w/speed). Still quite happy with the Audi. Based on several factors it was - at least for me - the clear first choice. Quattro was a clear discriminator in this price range. 6-speed, features, comfort all weighed in the decision. I felt the MB was over priced and the BMW too tight in the shoulders and a bit over-hyped.
Now that it's time to trade I'm thinking Acura RL or even the Infinti FX45 (I know it's not in the list). I'm headed out to test drive it in the next week or so along with the Acura RL and the new A6. I did a side-by-side of specifications and features of the RL, A6, 320, and FX45. Lot in common and a lot in of great choices in this price range. At the end of the day, though, the Audi has sold me on AWD.
Jan 25, 2005 (6:45 pm)
Every car in the segment now offers AWD, though that combined with a V8 is still rare.